Recent Updates Toggle Comment Threads | Keyboard Shortcuts
Image 1 of 2
—Much of this ground has been covered here before, but it is important. I make no apologies for repeating something if it needs to be widely understood.==========KOMPAS.com reports that the ArchBigot of Jakarta, aka Minister of Religious Affairs Suryadharma Ali, has claimed Ahmadis would suffer less if they declared themselves a wholly separate religion.
“If Ahmadiyah becomes a separate religion, stripped of Islamic symbols- for example not calling their houses of worship ‘mosques’ or its holy book the “koran,’ it’s guaranteed there will be nobody angry any more.
This arrogant outburst occurred at the Great Mosque of Tasikmalaya regency, on Mondayunder, where the intolerant Islamist had just been seen weeping with joy as he watched poor villagers recant their faith after years of persecution by his think-alikes among the ‘scholars’ of the bigot MUI, along with hoodlums in the rabid FPI.
Ali always makes one feel like a good chunder.
But Tribunnews tells us that maybe all was not as it seemed at the site of Ali’s gloating.
The Regent of Tasikmalaya interestingly was somewhat tight-lipped regarding a press release from Media Match JAI, the Ahmadis’ PR centre, which asserted that the people produced for ‘repentance’ were not Ahmadiyah at all!
Regent Uu Ruzhanul Ulum said he would not respond to this assertion. ‘It’s their right to say that.’ Then inevitably he did respond, denying the ceremony was a living lie. ‘They really are Ahmadis.’
Even so, MC JAI’s Akhmad Faizal Reza stuck to his version of events – or non-events!
And he made the obvious point that no matter, the Minister of Religious Affairs in a multi-faith country should be impartial, not gracing witch-hunting triumphalism with his presence – my words, not his, but that was the gist of it! http://www.tribunnews.com/2013/05/24/bupati-tasikmalaya-tak-tanggapi-warga-ahmadiyah
Back to that Kompas report.
To underline Ali’s arrogance, he went on to claim that the ‘decision’ on the Ahmadiyah issue could only be made by his Ministry in conjuction with the Ministry of Law and Human Rights and the Attorney General’s Office. —————
It won’t have escaped the attention of his audience that these ministries are precisely those involved in the draconian and discriminatory Tri-Ministerial Decree of 2008, which ‘froze’ Ahmadi religious liberty, specifying years in prison for any of that minority who dared ‘spread’ his creed.
Ali should have been born three or four centuries ago
No such sanction, needless to say, applies to Islamist jihadists aiming to drag in ‘converts’ - indeed, that was Ali’s purpose in being there this week, to revel in ‘repentant’ Ahmadis returning to his fanatical fold. And also, so he says, to formulate policy. For his apparatchiks are still conducting a study and looking at Ahmadiyah matters.
It is estimated there are two options for later
Ahmadis should be a stand alone religion
Ahmadi teaching of religion be dissolved.
I don’t have a high opinion of the UN, but hasn’t Indonesia signed up to its charter on religious liberty – freedom to worship as you please, boring old stuff like that. I can see the point in governments trashing UN diktats if they are irksome nonsense, but where’s the harm in letting people worship and preach their gospels? Oya. The harm is that Islamists are tantrum-prone. They can’t bear to hear their dogmas disputed.
But any government worth its salt ought to be ready to crack down on morons like that.
It’s not as if the regime here lacks adequate forces! Even the SatPol PP, the civic militia, above, could dispose of scum like the FPI.
But instead it allows its forces, as in East Java this week, to collaborate with Dark Age dorks like the MUI in sealing minority houses of worship!
It authorises its Armed Services to conduct such sectarian campaigns as Operation Prayer Mat. Never mind, let’s all listen to Ali’s musings on the Final Solution.
- “The visit to Tasikmalaya was actually included to find material for discussion…maybe later I will visit other Ahmadiyah locations in Kuningan and Banten. Three regions may be sufficient for subsequent discussion,” he added.
The man is an abomination.
He’d include Banten, scene of the Cikeusik Pogrom?
And Kuningan, not the posh business area of Jakarta but the Kuningan we’ve reported on here, where Ahmadis find it damn near impossible even to obtain their essential KTPs, the ID cards every citizen has to carry?
And Tasik, too, where the IslamoNazis just stormed the Ahmadi mosque?
Why not go talk to civilised people in civilised parts of the country?
Why not talk to the Sultan in Jogjakarta, where that monarch maintains as much tolerance as he can, despite the central government’s indifference?
Or why not go to Transito camp, and tell the Lombok Ahmadis kept there when the central government is going to punish the Islamist mob who drove them from their homes, or when the central government is going to fire the cowardly cops who watched impassively while that outrage was perpetrated?
What’s to learn from prowling epicentres of savagery?
They’ll only tell him what he wants to hear, as did Secretary of the MUI in Tasikmalaya, Edeng Zainal Abidin, who chipped in usefully that Ahmadiyah should immediately be disbanded, their precepts deviate from Islam, namely recognizing the existence of alast prophet besides the Prophet Muhammad.http://regional.kompas.com/read/2013/05/21/08165715/
So what if they do deviate from Edeng’s dogmatic doctrines?
If MUI don’t like it, they csn preach to their own faithful and say so.
Are these fanatics really so scared the teachings of an innocuous minority might have appeal, might lure the common folk to abandon the primitive and cruel sectarianism MUI exudes, that their flock might find more spiritual satisfaction elsewhere?
It certainly sounds like it!
BTW, Ali was talking cr%p when he said the Ahmadis might suffer less if they proclaimed themselves non-Muslims.
Christian churches like HKBP in Bekasi and Yasmin in Bogor are self-evidently non-Muslim, and they are persecuted horribly, while the government doesn’t lift a finger to enforce the high court rulings in their favour.
Well, the weekend is not going exactly to plan, but in Jakarta that was entirely predictable.
My guest showed up yesterday but after a few pleasant hours indoors, nothing for it but we had to hit the trail for downtown, another night out which escalated quite remarkably, via posh Kuningan to un-posh Blok M.
Hence today I am not feeling especially creative. Since the skies are overcast, no sunbathing either!
However, another visit is scheduled for later, so I must hie myself to a supermarket and get some eats suitable for Indonesians – a lot of them are happy to dig into my fave foods, but I find a few packets of mie goreng (noodles) go a long way to make ‘em feel at home! .
Anyway, in the absence of the muse, I simply update a continuing saga!
Eyang Subur is challenging the MUI and the Muslim Community.
That was the headline in BeritaSatu, and some might clap their hands and say it was about time somebody did so, especially as the ‘Muslim Community’ does not get to elect its spokesmen, that role being claimed by those ingenious ‘scholars’ of MUI and the Islamic ormas, community organisations, like the IslamoNazi louts of the FPI.
This story relates to Eyang’s eight wives, though as usual I must clarify the guy’s name, which in Javanese means Fertile Grandparent, tho Google always makes him a Grandma, or, more fun still, Grandma Lush!
The ‘scholars’ ordered him by fatwa, a document of no legal force at all, to divorce the excess dear ladies, but recent news indicates they want to stay married to Eyang.
Some might say it’s pretty gross to have more than one wife at a time, but the MUI disagree – needful Muslims, they say, can have four spouses. More, they reckon, is too much of a good thing.
An angry little man named Adi Bing Slamet was the geezer that stirred up all the trouble, and now he’s even angrier.
“That’s evidence that indeed he challenged the MUI fatwa, the (representatives) of Muslims in Indonesia….If scholars give out a fatwa, and it is resisted, that means he challenges the Muslims,” says Adi’s lawyer, who added a call to Eyang not to mock scholars with his actions.
But the MUI supports female circumcision, They should be mocked.
They object to yoga. They need to be mocked.
They think pre-wedding photos are out of order. They gotta be mocked.
They say women may not use motorcyce taxis. They have to be mocked.
They are seen as an embarrassment by many thinking Muslims, most of whom have been laughing at the Fertile Grandma saga.
Yes, Eyang could be taken to court, for over-doing the benighted practice of polygamy.
But honestly, who gives a monkey’s, except Adi, and those self-styled ‘scholars.’
Jakarta - Pengeluaran fatwa sesat terhadap ajaran Eyang Subur oleh Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), ternyata masih ditafsirkan lain oleh Eyang Subur. Dalam fatwa yang dikeluarkan oleh MUI itu, jelas diutarakan bahwa ajaran yang dibawa Eyang Subur memang melanggar ajaran agama Islam, dan karenanya MUI meminta Eyang Subur untuk bertobat.
Selain itu, MUI juga meminta agar Eyang Subur menceraikan 3 orang istrinya, namun hingga kini ternyata masih belum diceraikan. Hal itulah yang membuat pihak Adi Bing Slamet berang, karena Fahmi juga menilai bahwa pelaporan oleh Eyang Subur ke Polda Metro Jaya kemarin, terkait kliennya, merupakan bentuk dari perlawanannya terhadap ,” tuturnya lagi.
Penulis: Chairul Fikri/SIT
We took a walk down Jalan Wahid Hasyim the other night, and in search of victuals, stopped at a resto I have always liked, the Bakmi Toko Tiga, about half-way down on the South side of the street. I even gave it a very positive review a year ago.
It’s civilised, serves good Chinese and Indonesian meals at reasonable prices, and you can buy a beer for something considerably less than the Koh i Noor sells them at – see post http://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/koh-i-noor-jakarta/
Or rather it DID sell beers.
While my dining companions inspected the menu, I asked the waiter for three big Bintangs.
“Sorry, sir, we dont sell beer any longer.”
He offered no answer to my sputtered sounds of dismay, so we thanked him for his time and removed ourselves.
Not too far, down the road to Ya Udah, which DOES sell beer and cheaply, along with fine Germanic dishes and the usual range of local food.
But what is going on with Toko Tiga? Is it an example of creeping shariah?
I hate to think so, but if so, will Jalan Jaksa be next?
I see that Estonians are fighting back, with a huge pro-decency petition, which was delivered, with over 38,000 signatures opposing same-sex “marriage” to the country’s parliament last week. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/38000-signatures-against-same-sex-marriage-delivered-to-estonian-parliament
I always admire the Baltic Repubics, ‘vanished’ for fifty years or more into the marxist maw, then out, back in the sunshine of freedom.
But they made a big mistake exchanging the USSR for the much more sinister tyranny of the EUSSR, with its poisonous hatred of real European standards and values.Spokesman for the Estonian Foundation for Defense of Family and Tradition, Slawomir Olejniczak, told LifeSiteNews that the petition campaign was the largest and most successful collection of signatures ever carried out in the country of 580,000 households against a proposed change of law.———-What is particulalry disturbing, hwever, is Olejniczak’s revelation on Estonia’s National Broadcasting Union (ERR) which completely boycotted covering our petition – I mean totally, – but it has now published a small news article in its English language based portal, which is meant to give information to foreigners about Estonia.”=Brits too petitioned, but were spurned by their Parliament.=The Estonian public broadcaster noted in its article that under Estonian law, “same-sex couples have no right to wed. The situation is unlikely to change before the next parliamentary elections in 2015 as the two coalition partners are at odds over gay rights.”Click “like” if you support true marriage.The ERR report cited a study conducted by Turu-uuringute AS last September which found that 60 percent of Estonians are opposed to same-sex “marriage.”
Let’s hope Tallin’s law-makers have a finer grasp of democratic principles than curs like Cameron in London and Salmond in Edinburgh.A short video of the presentation of the Estonian Foundation for Defense of Family and Tradition pro-family petitions to the Chief of the Parliament on May 14th may be seen here.
“It’s the 24th of May, the Queen’s Birthday, if we don’t get a holiday, we’ll all run away!”
So kids used to sing, but in the Old Country, no royal or imperial holiday today, though pleasingly Canada still celebrates it as Victoria Day!
Although, with typically Canadian individuality, it was actually a ‘day-off’ last Monday!
Some Canadians may not like it, but without the Empire, there’d be no Canada, unless you mean a dank French colony, though I have to say that nowadays, our old enmities, the key issue of loyalty versus disloyalty, have had to take second place.
British and French Canadians, and, to be fair, many others of various origins, have seen the need to come together, as the very fabric of Western values comes under attack from the multicult cultural marxists, the heirs of Turdeau – not least his son!
However, I won’t make the day dreary by dwelling on that bizarre boy.
Meanwhile, here in Indonesia, we get a holiday tomorrow, which I aim to spend with somebody nice, who is dropping by today – for the weekend, I hope, to provide me with a bacon and egg breakfast, my idler’s delight of a Sunday!
When I get agreeable visitors, blogging takes a back seat, so pray indulge my indolence.
Watch this, but control your rage as you listen to the gibbering primitive.
Importing bastards like this, and then allowing their kind to grow up in a civilised country, when they are clearly unfit to live there (or indeed live anywhere) is the folly of our era.
A British soldier has been butchered on a busy London street by two Islamist terrorists, one of whom proclaimed afterwards: “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10073910/Woolwich-attack-terrorist-proclaimed-an-eye-for-an-eye-after-attack.html
And specially for UK readers?
You people will never be safe.
Swine of this sort should be killed. Listen to the filthy brute.
A British soldier brutally murdered by stinking savages – in any healthy society, the by-standers would have moved in, rescued the soldier and beaten to death the scum who were attacking him.
In any residually heathy society, the police would arrest the culprits, a short and sensible trial would ensue, and the filthy vermin would be judicially exterminated.
So what will happen in modern Britain?
Gutless clowns like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband will say how horrified they are!
- They will let the supine UK system unfold, with not a snowball’s chance in hell of justice, because the spineless degenerates on the European Court of Human Rights just LOVE to cosset terrorist swine.
No pigs will be executed while UK is under the heel of ECHR!
With just a week left before President SBY is due to get a tolerance prize, his underlings have lashed out at critics of the award.
Close aides of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono have blasted critics who said that the President did not deserve the World Statesman Award due to his failure to guarantee religious freedom for members of minority groups.
Cabinet Secretary Dipo Alam said that Yudhoyono’s critics, including respected Catholic Priest Frans Magnis Suseno, had made false claims about the President.
- “I have proof that the President has made many comments at Cabinet meetings [about defending minorities]. So, Magnis was wrong when he said the President had never paid attention to minorities,” Dipo told reporters.
But nobody denied that SBY has made comments on these issues. It’s the lack of action that matters.
Like, why doesn’t he order his National Police Chief to enforce the high court orders in favour of the churches sealed by islamist fanatics?
Dipo went on to attack Magnis, saying that he could not claim to represent the minority groups in the country….“The conflicts involving Ahmadiyah followers, for example, have been going on since the Japanese occupation…” http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/05/22/officials-angry-critics-who-oppose-award-sby.html
Well, I have only been here for 14 years, but in that time alone, I have watched Islamist intolerance escalate, and the bigot ‘scholars’ of the MUI issue a fatwa against Ahmadiyah.
SBY’s own Ministers promulgated their infamously intolerant Tri-Ministerial Decree just a few years ago, after the MUI diktat.
- And why have there been no murder charges brought against the Islamist mob that martyred three Ahmadis in Cikeusik in 2011?
Why did SBY choose to refer to the IslamoNazi hoodlum gang, the FPI, as his saudara -‘brethren?’
We could also look back to December, not last year but the year before, when Dipo himself was ‘instructed’ by SBY to find a solution to the suppression of Christian rights in West Java. http://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/indonesian-court-upheld-churchs-rights-so-its-full-of-infidels/
Since then the churches remain sealed to worshippers, local authorities pandering to primitives.
Where’s the beef, Dipo?
But Dipo is not the man we should today condemn – it’s that arrogant Rabbi Arthur Schneier in NYC, who’s arranged this prize-giving, who doesn’t want to know!
Wanti, salim, and Arnold are discussing. Toggle Comments
As the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) prepare to vote Thursday on whether to allow openly homosexual members, thousands of current and former scouts and dozens of religious leaders are urging the organization to stand up to “intimidation” by gay activists and stay true to its roots.
So today we’ll see if the BSA opens the flood-gates to predators!
If so, how come the ‘gays’ are so shrill in their demands for access to these lads? It would be a lot easier for them to organise their own peculiar packs, rather than spend all this time and energy yammering to get at the children of decent people.
Nearly 19,000 scouts, former scouts, and members of scouting families signed a petition to the BSA, urging the group to “uphold the values that have defined the organization for over 100 years.” http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/religious-leaders-families-urge-scouts-to-stay-with-tradition-as-vote-on
Good luck to the petitioners.
Ian M J, Reynolds, and Arnold are discussing. Toggle Comments
The detained ex-chairman of the fanatical Islamist PKS party, at the centre of a scandal around rip-offs from beef imports, hit the headlines again today, with the Anti-Corruption Commission trying to track down a teenage girl named Darin, who, Jakarta rumours say, is his wife – his fourth wife!
“Darin is just a tool for certain parties, including KPK, which wanted to see PKS’s destruction by degrading perceptions of the party’s morality…” PKS spokesman http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/teenager-linked-to-former-pks-chief-skips-kpk/
Methinks he doth protest too much – Islam allows four wives to the fajthful, surely, and she’s not under-age.
So where’s the beef, as they say?
Luthfi, aged 51, has reportedly often been seen, day and night, going in and out of her home in East Jakarta, a plush place to which she moved from a more modest dwelling last year. Darin moved there with her mum and dad.
But the Jakarta Globe’s report, from which the above quote is taken, did not include the photo of Darin, which I had to trawl for, till Kompas.com obliged. Their report merely says there’s a ‘close relationship’ between ‘Last of the Summer Wine’ Luthfi and dazzling Darin! http://forum.kompas.com/nasional/266306-ini-dia-darin-mumtazah-pelajar-yang-dekat-dengan-luthfi-hasan.html
Anyway, if that’s Darin, full marks to Luthfi for excellent taste in pretty women – she’s a cutie, all right.
But I have to ask, given that the PKS is widely described as the Indonesian version of the Muslim Brotherhood – where’s da headscarf, honey?
And that hint of cleavage would surely have Trans TV’s opacity rectangle plastered censoriously all over it!