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  • ross1948 04:48 on June 1, 2018 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Ahmadis, , , ,   

    Selamat Hari Pancasila – In Lombok Too? 

    Happy Pancasila Day, a relatively new public holiday in Indonesia, on which I commented last year…


    ….contemplating the meaning of the word, which is all about pluralism and brotherhood.


    My observations then should still resonate with Indonesians who cherish their heritage of religious tolerance, which has been gravely undermined since last year…



    ….what with the imprisonment of Jakarta’s Christian Governor Ahok for the mediaeval ‘crime’ of ‘blasphemy’- in his case merely quoting a Koranic verse during his election campaign, a quip which his largely Muslim audience at the time took in good part, but which was then seized on…

    Slouching Towards Shariah, Indonesia Jails Ahok

    ….by the worst elements in the archipelago, hordes of sectarian bigots marching through Jakarta calling for the honest, pleasant man to be ‘burned.’

    We even had reports of brain-washed brats squealing similarly sectarian hate-grunts.

    Ramadhan In Jakarta -‘Kill Ahok,’ Sing Parading Child-Bigots!

    And look who’s Jakarta Governor today!


    View image on Twitter

    • =====
    • Governor Anies won an adoring smile from ferocious fanatic Habib Rizieq, who had suggested the Christian Governor Ahok (Anies’ predecessor)  be slain for unacceptably quoting some Koranic verse –.“We encourage the government to process the death penalty for Ahok as soon as possible,” said Rizieq. 
    •  http://www.suara.com/news/2016/10/14/134313/ 
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    The sealed churches in Bogor and Bekasi are still sealed…

    Christ’s Ascension Day – Islamist Savages Pelt Congregation With Sewage, Urine and Rocks 

    Still There! Oppressed Christians Swelter In Jakarta! 

    …thanks to mean-spirited, intolerant Islamists.

    And as for the peaceful and utterly harmless Ahmadi minority?Only this month, moronic savages ran amok in Lombok…

    Ahmadi community comes under attack in East Lombok, as homes and properties destroyed

    Over the past two days, eight homes, four motorcycles and a shop have been destroyed. “The attacks were based on similar reasons: hatred and intolerance,” said a spokesperson for the Ahmadiyah Indonesia Congregation.
    “It’s not the first and definitely won’t be the last attack. It’s been years and the Ahmadi community continues to live under threats…” 

    Absolutely not the first time, sir.

    Victim of Islamist Murder Mob Gets Six Months in the Slammer …..


    ahmadis transito 
    Bigot scum in Lombok destroy Ahmadi homes -100 cops just watched – and that wasn’t this month, it was YEARS ago.

    In Squalid Internal Exile, Lombok Ahmadis Denied Voting Rights 

    So let’s hope those poor victims in Lombok can find something to cheer about on this Pancasila Day.

    • Jim in Jakarta 10:03 on June 1, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      I thought you had missed that horrible news from Lombok but I should have known better. Better to save it for this national holiday that as you say is about tolerance and liberty, equality, fraternity.
      If the police arrest those thugs that attacked the Lombok Ahmadis and if a court convicts them and gives them long prison terms then I will start believing that Pancasila still matters to the government.
      I have few hopes that is going to happen.


    • Kezia 12:46 on June 1, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      So bad what has happened in Lombok.
      I hope our President Jokowi celebrates our Pancasila Day by ordering Densus police to get the criminals who terrorize poor Ahmadiyah people


    • Wulan 13:09 on June 1, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      I hear from my friend we all comment today so me too. Pak President must to punish the terorists in Lombok and make them pay ahmadiyas for all the damages.


    • Sinta 13:23 on June 1, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Agree like everyone here.
      I like what you writing about Indonesia.
      Nice you care about our country.


    • JazPen 19:48 on June 1, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      I spent the day with some very nice Indonesians and it gives me a headache to picture what kind of country theywll have to live in if the government here doesnt do something to secure pancasila values.

      The Lombok violence wasnt as bad as Cikeusik but it looks like nobody is going to do time for it.
      I may be wrong and I hope I am wrong but if the culprits dont get serious prison time then it would be a clever move to give up up having a pancasila holiday.


    • Djardjo 20:39 on June 1, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      You do not need to tell me how Indonesia has been changing so much and worse now not better.
      I am old and Indonesia is so different than when I am young.
      Sometimes it is like we live in a crazy country and this Lombok terror story is only one more sad story in a list that is longer all the time.
      Good night and God bless you.


  • ross1948 23:06 on April 6, 2018 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , Ahmadis, , , , , , Volker Kauder,   

    ‘Bullied For Months On End?’ So Kick The Primitives OUT! 

    And back to DW again, and a reference to ‘nation-wide outrage when a little Jewish girl was bullied for months on end by her Muslim classmates in Berlin.


    Gambar terkait

    Nazi grafitti – ‘Jews Out!’    Now action replays, thanks to Mama Stasi Merkel?


    The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Josef Schuster, told DW last month that Muslim children were being indoctrinated in their homes.

    Needless to say, Merkel’s Bundestag flunkey Volker Kauder deplores sectarian intimidation, but rather than deal effectively with those responsible, his anaemic remedy is that education authorities could form an interschool response to problem…


    Gambar terkait

    Kauder with his Fuhrer, heiling happily


    “In schools, each individual case must be punished consistently,” the CDU politician added

    For pity’s sakes.

    Like, give ’em 100 lines to write, something like we used to get…


    …or at least an updated version, like this?

    ‘I will never again insult Jews and I respect everyone’s right to worship as they wish.’ 

    And if they refuse?

    Foolish Germany, like the UK, has no corporal punishment for recalcitrant young ratbags.



    So surely a better idea is expulsion – and not just from school!

    The problem is obviously an inevitable result of importing hordes of pig-ignorant bigots.

    And it’s not just little Jewish girls who are suffering, a truth of which Kauder seems to be aware.

    “The statements of the father of the Jewish girl in Berlin, whose case triggered the discussion, were very thought-provoking for me,” said Kauder. “He spoke of some boys from Muslim families treating classmates badly, whether they were Jews, Christians or even Muslims, for example when they went to the wrong mosque.”   http://www.dw.com/en/merkels-cdu-urges-mandatory-reporting-of-anti-semitism-in-schools/

    So innocent Muslims too are the targets of these juvenile savages?

    Kauder doesn’t get specific, but I wonder if those victims he refers to as attending ‘the wrong mosque’ might be Ahmadiyah.

    Here in Indonesia, that harmless minority have suffered brutal persecution…Victim of Islamist Murder Mob Gets Six Months in the Slammer …and state-sponsored discrimination…


    ahmadis transito 
    Bigot scum in Lombok destroy Ahmadi homes -100 cops just watched

    In Squalid Internal Exile, Lombok Ahmadis Denied Voting Rights 

    …on the mediaeval grounds that they are ‘heretics.’

    And we know too that evil has been done to them in the West as well – we reported on the Glasgow murder of an blameless Ahmadi by an evil savage.

    Echoing Cikeusik, Sectarian Blood-Lust Now Pollutes The UK! 


    In Glasgow, Scotland, this sleazy sectarian martyred an innocent Ahmadi

    Sectarian Pig Gets Less Than Life! At Least Arrest Its Fans! 


    So a very soft pat on the back to Kauder, who warned against reducing the topic of intolerance to the fight against anti-Semitism.

    If ‘migrant’ families of the evil young bullies do the right thing and disown their nasty spawn, then the bully-brats should be removed from Germany altogether.


    If, on the other hand, alien parents are found to have infected their offspring, then out they all should go!

    If, again, it turns out those guilty are native-born Germans, whose apostasy has led them into criminality, then long, long prison terms are required.

    • Keith Milner 13:32 on April 7, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      A good caning first, or some other short but painful punishment for those poisonous little sh-ts, short only so as not to delay the deportations.


    • Jim in Jakarta 15:13 on April 7, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Top marks for this, Ross.
      The things done to Ahmadis here are unforgivable and Indonesia has let itself down badly.
      Any signs of the same intolerance spreading in Germany, then sure, deport all the culprits.
      Britain should do that too.


    • Petra Malley 16:33 on April 7, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Those brats are a strong argument for abortion.


    • Jerry Jerman 17:16 on April 7, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      The deportation process is not enough used and when it is then it can last for many months or longer.

      So let us have a new law so the bullies can be whipped ‘for months on end,’ yes?
      They like sharia punishment so Merkel who gives them whatever they like must approve, no ?


  • ross1948 17:28 on September 9, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Ahmadis, , government cover-up, , , , Polycarpus,   

    Why Not, Pak Wiranto? Avenge Munir – And The Martyrs! 



    A baffling response from Indonesia’s Coordinating Political, Legal and Security Affairs Minister Wiranto yesterday.

    It seems that reporters ambushed him and asked him about the Munir case, which remains unresolved after 13 years. 


    Peculiar word to use, ‘ambush,’ as if a government minister should not be prepared to answer questions when he’s out in public.

    Especially questions related to his specific ministerial responsibilities.

    “You should have talked about our development, or our plundered territory. Why talk only about [Munir]?” Wiranto replied

    Well, maybe, because more than a dozen years have elapsed, and the hireling Polycarpus, convicted of murdering the innocent Munir, has long since been released…

    Munir, Don’t forget him!

    Munir’s Murderer Free – Jakarta Justice Mirrors Western Weakness 

    …despite not telling the world which cowardly creeps hired him to do a job which the said cowardly creeps were not up to doing for themselves.

    It’s all as much a mystery as when we published another post in February.

    No NEED To Tell Munir Murder Story? But CAN They? 

    I hope President Jokowi is on the phone today, reminding Wiranto that Wiranto’s office has been appointed by Jokowi to lead the settlement of cases of human rights abuse in the country..

    Munir’s case is hardly unique.

    More recent, equally heinous, crimes against humanity have been committed in Indonesia, such as the murder of the martyrs in the Cikeusik Pogrom…


    Cikeusik, Banten Province, February 6th, 2011. Watch the pigs at their bloody work on this link..   http://www.liveleak.com/view.


    …where three blameless members of the peaceful Ahmadi religious minority were bludgeoned to death by a mob of vile sectarian bigots.

    No murder charges have yet been brought.

    Victim of Islamist Murder Mob Gets Six Months in the Slammer 

    Wiranto would earn nationwide applause if he were to re-open that case and demand the death penalty for all those who can be detained, prosecuted and convicted of the crime.



    AND if he were to order the release of all the information the government has, wherever it’s locked away, about the hidden hands who directed Munir’s murder.

    • JazPen 20:30 on September 9, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Good one Ross.
      I admit I hadnt even thought about the Munir case for a long time but its something Wiranto needs to be talking about.
      Even better if he did something to get justice for those Ahmadis but the government here doesnt show a lot of interest in religious liberty,’
      Its very disappointing after the high hopes when Jokowi was elected.


    • Kezia 21:28 on September 9, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Why do we must ask Wiranto? He has the duty to investigate and report to us.
      The government of Indonesia is there to serve Indonesians and not to complain when we ask them questions that are important.
      I see President Jokowi on television all the time and wish I can ask him questions but how can we do that? Always he is with his servants and politicians and they will never question him.


  • ross1948 10:22 on November 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , Ahmadis, , , , , , , , , , Zuhairi Misrawi   

    Ahok Defies Back-Stabbers And Sectarian Fanatics! 

    Since the bloody riot two Fridays ago, when gangs of Islamist hoodlums attacked police and shamed Indonesia before the assembled cameras of the world’s media, a lot of that overseas media have lost interest in what’s happening in Jakarta.


    • Hasil gambar untuk Zuhairi Misrawi



    • So for the sake of fair play, I must mention today a young Muslim leader named Zuhairi Misrawi.
    • Despite the Jakarta Post branding him an ‘intellectual,’ he sounds a sensible fellow. He belongs to the NU, the Nahdlatul Ulama, a very large organisation, which sometimes comes out with rational thoughts, and this is one of those times.


    • Nu Nahdlotul Ulama
    • Zuhairi is urging the extremist so-called ‘scholars’ of the MUI, who are still state-funded, so far as I know…


    fatwa mui sholeh


    ….to back-track on their peculiar accusations of ‘blasphemy’ against Ahok, the Christian Governor of Jakarta.

    As has been obvious to everyone from the start of the controversy, Zuhairi points out that it’s based on a misquote of a speech the governor made that was uploaded to the internet.


    We reported on Ahok’s reference to a Koranic verse before, and you can check that out…

    Half-Million Fanatics Descending On Jakarta? Peacefully!?! 

    …but it’s undoubtedly true that, if the issue had remained a case of notorious jihadist gang-groups caterwauling as usual, few normal Indonesians would have given a tinker’s cuss.

    But Zuhairi’s right.

     “The MUI is the source of all of these problems.”

    • mui hq


    The self-styled ‘scholars’ will be miffed, I guess, but again overseas readers need to see some examples of what sort of thinking permeates their opulent HQ downtown.


    • ma'arruf amin

    • Ma’aruf

    • ———-

    It was MUI’s Deputy Chair, Ma’aruf, who kindly advised everyone that FGM is a ‘human right!’  


    And here’s another of their ‘scholars’ talking. 


    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said.


    • Would you take anything they say seriously?
    • So why do the Jakarta Police?
    • However, encouragingly, the Jakarta police have also started to take a careful look at a certain Buni Yani.


    Hasil gambar untuk buni yani ditangkap


    He’s the character who uploaded the video which the nastiest elements in the archipelago then spread around to foment hatred against the Governor.

    Foment other people’s hatred, that is, because the nastiest elements have always hated him Jakarta Jew-Haters Boo Chinese Christian Candidate  , simply because of his race and religion and his habit of calling a spade a spade.

    Fanatic Islamist Wails At Christian Governor – “He Calls People Names!”  

    It seems this geezer has admitted making errors when transcribing the governor’s words before posting the footage.

    Bizarrely, Buni was quoted in Republika, a newspaper that might charitably be described as ‘Islamic,’ on Friday, as demanding that   Ahok supporters stop their provocations.

    Buni Yani Minta Pendukung Ahok Hentikan Provokasi


    Meanwhile, Ahok is showing he’s made of the right stuff, refusing to stand down as a gubernatorial candidate despite chicken-sh-ts behind the scenes seeking to dissuade him. 


    • ahok


    • Without naming the parties, Ahok said he had been asked to drop out on security concerns in the capital. He claimed the parties said demonstrations against him would continue if he stayed in the race.

    I wish he’d ID the culprits, but good to see the good guv ain’t taking any cr-p from creeps that crawl to the sectarians behind the ‘blasphemy’ ballyhoo.

     “I’d rather be arrested and jailed than drop out of the race,” Ahok said in the Pantai Mutiara area, North Jakarta, on Thursday


    Good for Ahok! I hope that the many millions of decent Muslims who live in Jakarta will endorse his courageous stand.

    If people must make an issue of religion in the election next year, which of course it shouldn’t be, my own view is that they should focus on ex-president SBY’s son, Agus Yudhoyono,  who is also running for Jakarta Governor.


    • Hasil gambar untuk yudhoyono cagub
    • ——————


    • freedom-of-religion
    • —————
    • Will Agus give a guarantee to protect freedom of religion in Indonesia’s capital?
  • ross1948 19:58 on May 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Ahmadis, , , Dahnil Azhar, , , , , ,   

    Blasphemous Savages Wreck A Mosque in Java 

    Once again the peaceful and utterly inoffensive Ahmadis have been the target of pig-ignorant blasphemous brutes.

    “All was destroyed, the walls of the recital room knocked down, and the roof,” said Ecep, the Ahmadi imam.


    Ahmadiyah burned Koran in Cisalada

    Koran burned by Islamists in Cisakada, 2011



    In an unholy echo of a previous attack five years ago, in Cisalada, West Java, when a Koran was burned, even the holy books in the mosque were vandalised.

    A swarm of savages caused Rp.200 million worth of damage to their mosque in Kendal, Central Java, the cowardly swine launching their onslaught in the wee hours when nobody was around to bear witness.

    Typical of sectarian fanatics here, who do not respect houses of worship of any creed, even their own!.Jakarta Mosque Mayhem – IslamoNazi Louts Silence Moderate! 

     To their great credit, the local youth wing of the mainstream Muhammadiyah movement condemned the outrage in unequivocal terms.


    Dahnil,of Pemuda Muhammadiyah


    Their chairman, Dahnil Azhar, called on the police to  investigate the attack thoroughly so that the culprits are prosecuted.   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/05/24/muhammadiyah-youth-condemn-attack-on-ahmadi-mosque.html

    “I do not share the same beliefs as the Ahmadis, but I believe that they have the same rights as other citizens of Indonesia.”


    But although the reports quote senior cops saying they’ll do right by the victims, many previous cases don’t make some of us overly optimistic.


    • alubis
    • The FPI’s Sobri Lubis who shrilled ‘Kill, kill,kill!’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RLCXNdKF4  –

    No arrest was made when the IslamoNazi, Lubis, was recorded inciting murder against Ahmadis, the infamous ‘Kill, kill, kill’ video.

    The Cikeusik Pogrom in Banten Province, near Jakarta, was carried out under the gaze of armed officers, who never fired a shot to quell the blood-thirsty hoodlums involved in that atrocity, when three innocent Ahmadis were martyred by a mob.


    Islamist pig revels in sectarian slaughter at Cikeusik
    – Watch it on video..


    ahmadis transito 
    Bigot louts in Lombok destroy Ahmadi homes -100 cops just watched               In Squalid Internal Exile, Lombok Ahmadis Denied Voting Rights 

    Again, in Lombok, Islamist savages enforced ‘ethnic cleansing’ of an entire Ahmadi community, a hundred well-armed officers standing idly by. 

    But the root of the problem surely lies deeper than the constabulary’s inertia.

    Despite loudly proclaiming his commitment to pluralism, President Jokowi has done nothing to revoke the iniquitous Tri-Ministerial Decree, which formalises anti-Ahmadiyah discrimination.




    To be fair, he has also declined to uphold religious liberty for the Christians in Bogor.

    The Yasmin Protestant congregation won a huge victory at the Supreme Court against jihadist bigots who closed their church, but the ruling remains unenforced, though Jokowi could order the cops to move in tomorrow, if he wished.

    What’s been done to Ahmadis in particular is monstrous.

    At least the Protestants get to vote and send their kids to school, and qualify for what little welfare exists here. Check my search engine, over there to the right – so many wretched examples of oppression. 

    Very sad, the plight of the persecuted in Indonesia.

    I write about it so often. I get weary of doing so, but it’s a dreary duty that may not be shirked. 




    • JazPen 22:23 on May 25, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Back to vintage Ross! I like it!
      Like Ive said it before but there are a lot of blogs and other media attacking the illegals in Europe and Australia but we dont have anyone in Indonesia, I mean English-language, who really gives the bad people merry hell like you do. .
      The Jakarta Post talks the pluralist talk but as you at least once a month tell us, they are just Gramedia men and Gramedia works hand in hand with the MUI for bookburning and such, so who trusts anything they say.
      Oh. I see I have made a much longer comment than I usually do but thats because I want to persuade you to produce more blogposts like this.
      With Ramadan coming up then I think you will have lots of raw material to work with.


    • Prita 10:41 on May 26, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Iya, they must be punished for doing this that shames Central Java.


    • Irafan 13:23 on May 26, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      It is terrible crime.


  • ross1948 00:12 on January 30, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Ahmadis, , , , Jayadi, , , NTB Province, , ,   

    Jokowi Under Pressure? Not As Much As Those Ahmadiyah! 

    President Jokowi’s performance as Governor of Jakarta was first-class, especially his lightning ‘raids’ on the idle slugs drawing tax-paid salaries and found to be idling at – or even absent from – their desks.
    Likewise, he has shown resolute determination not to have Indonesia bullied by international undesirables like the EUSSR’s Moghieri, or the arrogant Dutch ex-colonial overseers, on the issue of capital punishment.
    But currently he’s in a bit of a pickle, with the National Police and the Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) over allegations against Jokowi’s pick for top cop.
    Overseas readers can read all about that complicated carry-on anywhere…
    But there are other matters concerning Pak Presiden…
    I have to share the impatience with his government expressed by the National Commission on Human Rights, Komnas HAM, on the endless torment of those Ahmadis in Transito shelter, down in Mataram.
    ahmadis transito Delinquent bigots attack Ahmadi homes
    They were driven from their homes, from their island, by intolerant scum, an act of Islamist ethnic cleansing in which the police repeatedly showed dereliction of duty, standing shamelessly by as mobs of sectarian savages ran riot.
    And now, after seven years, those poor folk, refugees in their own country, remain in Transito.
    Jayadi Jayadi
     Komnas spokesman Jayadi Damanik is now urging Jokowi to sort out this scandalous persecution. He told media that there are still 137 Ahmadis stuck in that hell-hole.
    Apart from constant obstruction in  their attempts to get the same rights as every other Indonesian citizen…Ramadan – No Respite from Islamist Oppression … in such things as health and education services, and even the right to vote…

    In Squalid Internal Exile, Lombok Ahmadis Denied Voting Rights 

    • ahmadiyah2-e1285119271327 Ahmadi child refugees in Mataram, taken years ago, all grown up now, as second-class citizens!
    • ————————–
    …the Tempo report quotes theKomnas man on the sickening pressure from the Governor of Nusa Tenggara Barat Province that they should turn apostate in order to facilitate resolution of their plight.
    “That’s discrimination,” said Jayadi.
    That was six weeks ago. We here at RRA had already posted a similar call last October.That’s Good, President Jokowi – Now For Transito? 
    There can be few if any issues on the President’s in-tray more deserving of his attention.
    What’s he doing?
    And what’s he going to do about the Depok goon-squad, the bigot mayor’s civic militia, who, applauded by IslamoNazi fanatics like Habib Rizieq of the FPI…
    habib_rizieq_temui_hasyim_muzadi Rizieq
     http://news.okezone.com/read/2015/01/12/338/1091267/habib-rizieq-ahmadiyah-mau-dikepret …have re-sealed the Ahmadi mosque…  https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/depok-jadi-kota-pki-islamist-council-grabs-private-property-communist-style/
    …after it was reported that the victims of the hateful regime there actually managed to get in and observe a recent holy day.
    If Jokowi does get the National Police Chief of his choice, one hopes the first duty the new man is tasked to do is round up violent vermin across the archipelago and deploy well-armed officers to see to it that persecuted Ahmadis (and Christians X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’ Mayor Denies They Exist!’ ) in West Java, and everywhere, can worship freely in their own consecrated buildings.


  • ross1948 11:55 on November 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Ahmadis, Amdihan, , , , , , , , , ,   

    Indonesia’s Arrogant Islamists – “Non-Denominational Belief Is Not a Religion!” 




    Interesting to see that it’s Ma’aruf Amin who’s being quoted on behalf of the MUI, the Indonesian Council of ‘Scholars,’ in the debate on the KTP, the ID document which every Indonesian must carry.


    ma'arruf amin Ma’aruf Amin


    Ma’aruf, you’ll recall, is the enlightened figure who told us that female circumcision is a ‘human right.’   http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/rights-groups-push-for-female-circumcision-ban/566823  That barbaric custom is still widely practiced here. 

    “Circumcision hopefully will make her less amorous…” Islamist Ignorance Targets Tots 

    However, he has agreed that citizens should be free to leave the KTP’s ‘religion’ column blank.

    Many of us might think that religion is a personal thing, nothing to do with the state,  but never mind, a teeny-weeny step towards religious liberty for the people of this wonderful land, after being forced for decades to fill in the column with one of the six religions.    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/11/14/ulema-council-wants-keep-religion-column.html

    But don’t start the cheering too soon.

    The MUI man went on to say his fellow-countrymen should not be allowed to enter their religion in the column if they don’t follow one of those six state-approved faiths.

    Why not?

    “A non-denominational belief is not a religion so it should not be stated in the religion column,” said Ma’ruf.

    Ma’aruf must certainly have a hot-line to God if he and his ‘scholar’ colleagues feel they can determine that minority faiths are NOT religions. But it’s up to them what they believe about mankind’s relationship with the Almighty. I’d be the last to deny them their right to think and worship as they see fit.

    A pity they don’t take the same view.

    They’ve been the most vociferous cheer-leaders for discriminatory state action against the inoffensive Ahmdiyah minority, and others who don’t share their dogmatic beliefs. They expressed approval of the infamous Tri-Ministerial Decree which has been invoked by vicious Islamist bigots as justification for sealing, and stealing, houses of worship belonging to Ahmadis.


    masjid-ahmadiyah-depok These Ahmadis were prevented from further prayers in their Depok, West Java, mosque by a simple step – the local authorities expropriated the whole building! Just like Communists, these sectarians!


    The endless persecution has even seen murder, the foul Cikeusik Pogrom.  of 2011, where three innocent men were martyred by a mob of savages.


    • ahmadiyah2 Bigot pig at work in Cikeusik
    • ===================
    • The subsequent trial, when a handful of scumbags were put away for on average six months each (along with an Ahmadi who survived the atrocity!) showed the world how flimsy freedom of religion really can be, sadly.
    • ==================

    Of course, Pak Ma’aruf doesn’t endorse violence.


    Amidhan-MUI-2011 Amidhan


    Nor does his senior MUI colleague Amidhan.

    As was made clear a couple of Ramadhans ago, when he spoke about Islamist thug raids on mini-markets that did not kow-tow sufficiently to the intolerance prevalent at that time of year. Amidhan has no time for thuggery, but if shop-keepers dare display indifference to the sectarian demands of the MUI…

    Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    The new Minister of Religious Affairs, Lukman, has shown refreshing readiness to respect Ahmadi and other minority creeds’ rights – there are, after all, nearly ten million Indonesians not affiliated with ‘approved’ religions – and that’s great.

    Will the MUI now inch into the modern world and insist to their followers that it is every citizens’ duty to take a stand for religious liberty and prevent the shameful assaults, arson and closures inflicted on these peaceful people?

  • ross1948 21:08 on October 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Ahmadis, , , , , houses of worship, , , , , , Minster of Religious Affairs, mosque stolen, , , , Sampang, , ,   

    Religious Liberty! Lukman Lights a Candle of Hope! 



    Well, Hell’s Teeth!

    I have long hoped for this news, but to read it, at last, makes this rainy evening seem bright.

    The Religious Affairs Minister, Lukman Hakim Saifuddin, comes from an Islamist party, the very same one, PPP, which spawned his predecessor, the oleaginous intolerant, Suryadharma Ali.


    main-lukman-hakim4 Lukman…

    … NOT at all like Ali . Ali1


    But since Ali had to step down in a swirl of corruption allegations, Lukman has shown he’s a man of a very different sort. A good bloke, as I called him last Sunday, he’s now promised a new bill of rights for all faiths, even those which under President SBY were horribly persecuted…


    Lukman said the new bill would target the closures and attacks on churches and Shiite and Ahmadiyah mosques…


    The current law is a green light to sectarian bigots.


    One of the requirements stipulated in the joint decree is for applicants to get the signed approval for their house of worship from the heads of 60 neighboring households of a different faith.


    The difficulties experienced in getting these should not be simplistically ascribed to hatred or prejudice – in Bekasi, some years ago, it was learned that some vindictive clerics had told local Muslims to toe the line or they’d be denied funeral services for their kin!  



    masjid-ahmadiyah-depok These Ahmadis were prevented from further prayers in their Depok, West Java, mosque by a simple step – the local authorities expropriated the whole building! Just like Communists, these sectarians!


    In Muslim majority Indonesia, Christian, Shiite and Ahmadi applicants have almost invariably failed to get the required number, while a few cases have been reported in parts of eastern Indonesia, which has a large Christian population, of Muslims not being allowed to build mosques.

    And excellent news too that the package should include measures to help Shiite and Ahmadi communities being driven from their homes by mobs of Sunni Muslims — often with the support of the local police.

    • Ahmadiyah burned Koran in Cisalada Koran burning – by Sunni savages in Cisalada, West Java (they also burned the Ahmadis’ mosque and homes)
    • That’s the very issue I posted on earlier this evening, referring to the Lombok Ahmadis, but the Shia in Sampang suffered just as much.

    But for all Lukman’ goodwill, he’s still showing a trace of unreality when he goes on to say his ministry would also work with local Islamic clerics — who are often instrumental in inciting hostilities against minority groups — to get them to embrace religious tolerance.

    The JG journo is spot on with her comments on who’s usually to blame for intolerance and hostility. Indeed, many of the posts we’ve published on Islamist intolerance around Indonesia have had cause to mention the local chapters of the MUI.




    That’s the Council of self-styled ‘Scholars,’ who manifest intensely bigoted sentiments, sometimes verging on hysteria –

    Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    Twisted Java ‘Moderate’ Brackets Peaceful Minorities With Evil ISIS! 

    Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Atheists Get Out of Indonesia!” 

    With Friends Like This Islamist ‘Moderate,’ Tolerance Needs Enemies? 

    ‘Moderate’ Muslim Leader To Journos- “Beware Counter-Islam!” 

    The ‘Moderate’ View – Reporting Sectarian Violence to UN is ‘White-Collar Crime!


    -and those strange men of the State-funded MUI are all too often working hand-in-glove with local cops.

    Time to cut the subsidies, Pak Lukman?

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