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  • ross1948 09:30 on November 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , , , Rimba   

    Religious Liberty – Indonesia Exposed! 

    These boys converted to Islam just a few months ago.
    “I will protect Islam till I die…” 

    I felt very sorry for these children, and all the people in their community who have been pushed into apostasy, abandoning their age-old faith, when I watched the BBC programme a couple of days ago.



    I had been planning to write something, but now I have found the report on the BBC website, hardly a ‘phobic’ source, and can refer you to the link below the headline.

    Indonesia’s Orang Rimba: Forced to renounce their faith


    The incidentals in the report are off-putting enough, especially this –

    The Islamic Defenders Front – a vigilante group whose leader is facing charges of inciting religious violence – helped facilitate the conversion.

    But what is so tragic is this is happening only a week or so after I applauded Indonesia’s Constitutional Court for ruling that the principle of religious liberty applies not only to the major faiths…


    Good News – Wow! – For Indonesian Religious Freedom! 

    ….but also to the traditional belief systems that have existed in the archipelago before foreign missionaries introduced the currently dominant creeds.

    It would be nice to rail against this theological blitz-krieg, but I prefer to let you peruse what the BBC has uncovered…



    …as I look out the front door onto my sunny Jakarta yard and wonder why, every time I run across some hopeful news, something comes along soon after to dash those hopes.


    • JazPen 15:27 on November 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Its sad to see those little kids being indoctrinated and I think this just makes a joke about that ‘Mental Revolution’ we heard so much about.. ..
      Isnt President Jokowi going to do anything about this?


    • Kezia 19:18 on November 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Poor children. Poor Rimba people.
      Poor Indonesia if this is done by our leaders and working with those FPI
      One day maybe we will have tolerance here again.


    • Jim in Jakarta 16:09 on November 19, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      So the Constitutional Court says the minority religions here have rights but within a week or two their kids are being brainwashed?
      Sometimes the injustice here just makes me sick!


  • ross1948 21:29 on January 13, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , course in constitution, , , , ,   

    Courses for ‘Clerics?’ Worthless, If No Tests Included! 


    One might wonder, if people are considered needful of instruction in the basic principles of democracy,  who vetted their entry into the country in the first place?


    Hasil gambar untuk vetting?

    BUT anyway…  

    Italy’s Interior Ministry is preparing a course in common constitutional decencies for  ‘clerics’ operating within their borders.

    Participants will learn about Italy’s constitutional principles including freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and the right to have a place of worship and practise religion.

    Italy’s imams to get training on the Constitution

    That’s all well and good, but – apart from the fact that it’s only in some areas of Italy – …

    ‘Participants’ in our classes in high school were taught about such things as German/French grammar, how to use Bunsen Burners in science classes, historical events, and Shakespeare’s works.


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    • Or at least we studied them!
    • —–

    Whether we LEARNED them or not was established by tests and exams.

    So the same should apply to these lessons set by the Italian Government. Clerics enrolled  in the course – it’s not clear if enrolment is compulsory, as it no doubt should be – should face assessment!


    Simple questions, for example –

    Do you reject as barbaric any suggestion that people who leave one religion to join another, or abandon religion altogether…




    …should be subject to harm, threat of harm, or other anti-social victimisation?


    Do you understand that only retards would offer threats of violence or actual violence towards those who mock your own or any other religion?




    Do you agree that it is disgusting and iniquitous for anyone to suggest that men may have more than one wife…




    …yet women should NOT have the right to enjoy more than one husband?


    Do you agree that women should be free to dress as they please, subject to Italian law?


    • burqa
    • ———

    Do you agree that daughters should be entitled to the same share of inheritances as sons?


    There are other questions that might be useful, but those, I think, make quite a good start! 

    The new courses are part of a €90,000 plan from the Interior Ministry to improve integration of Muslims in Italy.

    All right.
    But let’s be fair.
    Not only Muslims should be registered for this learning process – the classes and the tests should be compulsory for all varieties of preachers, because, after all, there are unsavoury aspects to more than one creed.
    And the ‘graduates’ should be required, as part of their subsequent license to preach, to stand up regularly in pulpits and advise, warn and exhort their congregations to heed the basic lessons in the course.
    out with them
    Refusal to do so ought to result in their exclusion from pulpits, in mosques, temples and churches.
    And, one hopes, from Italy too.
    PS I re-read the article, and the move is not aimed solely at any one religion but at all denominations not registered  in Italy
    • Deirdre Kelly 15:35 on January 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Why do you say that not only Muslims need this course?
      I never heard of Lutherans or Buddhists saying that people who convert to other religions should be killed, or people who draw cartoons of Jesus or Buddha should be stabbed to death?
      Sounds like a waste of time to make every parson or priest enrol in this course, so exactly what’s your point? What dangers do other religions have for our society?.


  • ross1948 15:52 on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , criticism of Islam, ex-nun Ahok, , , , , Irena Handono, ,   

    An Apostate Attacks Ahok – Denies Right To Criticise! 

    A most peculiar woman, Irena Handono.

    She was apparently, once upon a time, a Catholic nun. Then she turned apostate, converting to Islam.


    • Gambar terkait

    Irena Handono


    • Fair enough.
    • I’m not one of those people who would harm, or even disrespect, apostates.
    • Anyone should have the right to change religion, if they decide the one they grew up in is wrong for them.




    That’s what religious liberty is all about, using your God-given brain to think and work out the rights and wrongs  of the meaning of life, and death.




    If a Muslim wants to become a Christian, he or she has the absolute right to do so, just as Irena had the absolute right to leave her Catholic faith and become Muslim.

    Apostasy should NEVER be a crime.

    Irena went on to become an ‘Islamic preacher.‘  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/01/10/former-nun-turned-muslim-preacher-testifies-against-ahok.html

    And obviously an Islamic preacher of the extremist variety, because she is one of those fanatics who wants Jakarta Governor Ahok to be convicted of ‘blasphemy.’

    Of course the idea of ‘blasphemy’ being a ‘crime’ seems absurd to most people in the countries I used to live in, but here in Indonesia, there is, alas, a law against it.

    But Islamist Irena seems to interpret ‘blasphemy’ rather more widely than most of us would.

    If you are crass or crude or just plain stupid enough to say rude things about God Almighty, then, yes, that surely counts as ‘blasphemy.’


    • god-creates-adam
    • ======
    • Blasphemy is basically an exalted variety of bad manners, and God Almighty, being both omniscient and omnipotent, will be aware of such ill-advised rudeness, and more than capable of  retaliation.  
    • That’s why it seems so daft to use man-made legislation to deal with it.
    • But Islamist Irena appears to reckon that it’s not only discourtesy to the Deity that needs to be checked.
    • “As a non-Muslim, Ahok should not criticize Islam,” she said. 
    • WHAT?
    • Why not?
    • Why should non-Muslims not be free to criticise Islam?
    • One of the foremost Muslim fanatics demanding that Ahok be punished – actually, killed.. – is Habib Rizieq, of the FPI, the self-styled ‘Islam Defenders Front.’
    • And he recently mocked Christianity in rather crass terms.
    • So what is sauce for the goose should surely be sauce for the gander, no?
    • However, whilst searching for a photo of Islamist Irena, what should I find but that one up above.
    • And if you examine it carefully, you’ll see that it shows her at an ‘International Women’s Conference!
    • Whose International Women’s Conference?
    • hizbut_flag


    And as we know, Hizbut T is SO far-out that even many Muslim countries have banned it. Cast-Iron promised to do so in the UK, but that was just another of his lies. 

    Hizbut Tahrir UK – “When ‘Moderates’ Talk of Peace, They’re Lying!” 




    HT categorically rejects democracy and wants all currently independent nations subjugated to a global caliphate.

    We’ve covered this califofascist gang before, more than once. 

    Indonesia Retains Red Ban – So Why Not HTI Too? 

    hizbutisrael ‘Wipe Israel Off the World Map’ – Hizbut Tahrir
    ‘Charlie Hebdo, Proof that Democracy’s Rotten’  – Hizbut Tahrir

    Hizbut Tahrir Non-Violent? Implement The Promised Ban

    So obviously no patriot or democrat in Indonesia, or any country, should associate, in any way, with such an outfit, much less participate in their conferences.

    However, our little bit of research does explain a lot, about both Apostate Irena’s testimony against Ahok, and about her ridiculous assertion that her religion should be above criticism.

    Oh, and you can watch her on You Tube, if you speak Indonesian.

    MMC News_Ustazh. Irene Handono; Campakkan Demokrasi Sistem Jadul, Tegakkan Khilafah.

    Basically, she’s ranting about how ‘Democracy’s Done, Let’s Establish the Caliphate.’



    (Read also: Ahok’s lawyers criticize witness’ background, noting

  • ross1948 14:56 on June 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , , , , , Dalai Lama, ,   

    The Pope’s A Dope – Should Catholics Convert To Buddhism? 

    Tibet has long had grim experience of colonisation by aliens. Thousands of young men of military age have stomped their way into and around that sad country, disrespecting and destroying its culture and way of life.




    So Europeans today should empathise with Tibetans.

    We should listen when its legitimate leader, forced into exile by barbarous adherents of a cruel ideology, talks about Europe’s plight today.




    Dalai Lama says there are ‘too many’ refugees in Europe…



    The spiritual leader of Tibetans was referring to real refugees, presumably – he’s too wise to be conned by all the rubbish about ‘poor, desperate asylum’ wasters, those brutes in the photo above this paragraph.

    So we can bear with him, when he adds –

    “A human being who is a bit more fortunate has the duty to help them. …”

    But he deserves high praise indeed for this next astute observation. 

    “On the other hand, there are too many now …Europe, for example Germany, cannot become an Arab country,” he added with a laugh…”Germany is Germany.”

    And so say all the Germans…


    …except Mama Stasis Merkel and her collaborators, bent on pandering to alien parasites.

    And another exception to the good sense rule is that oily old fool, Frances, Bishop of Rome…



    …..whose capacity for spouting hogwash seems to increase weekly, if not daily. 

    Predators and Child Molestors

    ‘Migrants not dangerous but in danger’ Pope Francis tells children

    The Argie cretin appears oblivious to the sex-predator risks brought into Europe by Mama’s crimmigrants – German Girls Forced Into Shariah Dress-Code By Sex-Pest Syrian Ingrates!  – to whom pedophilia is a cherished part of their vile ‘culture.’

    Migrant Pedophilia – ‘Our Traditions Are Hard To Break!’ 

    I’m not much into doctrinal matters, but purely on the basis of the contrast between the Dalai Lama and the Vatican Viper, one tends to see merit in converting to Buddhism, at least from Catholicism.




    At least there’s no risk of beheading for Catholics who use their God-given brain to make such spiritual decisions – unlike those of other creeds who defy sectarian savages that think ‘apostates’ should be killed. 

    It’s just so refreshing to hear responsible words from a religious leader these days. 

    The Dalai Lama added that “from a moral point of view too, I think that the refugees should only be admitted temporarily”.

    “The goal should be that they return and help rebuild their countries.” Dalai Lama says there are ‘too many’ refugees in Europe

  • ross1948 09:09 on December 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , , malls,   

    Season’s Greetings…As IslamoNazis Threaten Festive Malls! 

    After making the effort to go shopping in Jakarta, I have to say that one of the benefits accruing from that expenditure of time and energy is the ubiquitous Christmas carol music that forms the background in most shopping centres.


    Indonesia is 90% Muslim, but there is little sectarian hostility among most normal people..



    …which is why I’m happy today  -yes, it’s a public holiday here today, as well as tomorrow! – to extend Islamic New Year greetings to my many Muslim readers, and of course to my Muslim friends with whom I spend much pleasant time.

    However, there are a number of abnormal people around, worst perhaps being the IslamoNazi thug gang that calls itself the ‘Islam Defenders Front.’ (FPI).




    My own low opinion of these low-lifes is widely shared.  We recently covered a call by a leader of the N.U., the largest Muslim organisation here, for a ban on the gangster ‘front.’ 

    A Festive Cheer For Muslim Sanity – Ban The IslamoNazis! 

    ‘Affront’ would be a better word, and today we see they’ve been out and about in Surabaya, the country’s second largest city, where tempo.com reports that dozens of the white-shirt bigots descended on various large malls to rail and whine about Christmas,

    And New Year – the one that falls on January 1st!

    The report says they were concerned about both big days, though no details are given of their objection to the latter – maybe it’s the same nasty nonsense we heard from Aceh last year!

    Shariah Goons Roam Aceh, Stomping New Year Joy 


    East Java FPI Secretary Muhammad Khairul said the action was done so that the tenants in the mall management company do not coerce Muslim employees.

    This fanatic has some nerve posing as a champion of people’s rights.

    It was only last year that he and his jihadist jerks were raging for innocent students to be prosecuted for a banner he didn’t like. “All responsible parties in this case should be severely punished. The reason, blasphemy like this is much more cruel than ISIS…”    https: //id.berita.yahoo.com/fpi-the-defamation-religious-071619057.html




    The banner was in fact a sardonic jibe at hypocrisy – you can read the whole story in our post from back then.  ‘Tuhan Membusuk’ Banner On Campus? ‘Worse Than ISIS!’ says FPI Fanatic

    But back to Khairuddin!

    “According to Hanafi such things are also banned because it can include apostasy. We want to save the Muslims from apostasy,” he said. (‘Hanafi is one of four “schools of law” and considered the oldest and most liberal school of law,‘ says one source Hanafi Islam – GlobalSecurity.org )


    There’s nothing wrong with apostasy, not in a free country. Anyone and everyone should have the right to convert into and/or out of any creed whatsoever.

    That’s what freedom of religion is all about!

    But the whole idea that donning a Santa hat might persuade some cute little sales-girls to ‘jump the dyke,’ as my Ulster kin would put it, is laughable.


    scantysanta Potential apostate?

    I have a very nice shirt here in the style known as ‘Baju Muslim’ (Muslim shirt) which I wore only last week, but I didn’t end up worshipping in a mosque last Friday!



    baju-muslim-pria‘Baju Muslim’


    If Khairuddin really thinks that what one wears to work or play seriously poses such a ‘risk,’ he must have precious little confidence in the hold his religion has on its rank-and file.

    But let’s focus on his protest, which was apparently coordinated with local police.

    He’s at pains to stress it was a ‘polite’ demo, not like many FPI amok-runs.


    • Sejumlah massa dari Front Pembela Islam (FPI) melakukan aksi di depan Gedung Mahkaman Konstitusi (MK), Jakarta, Rabu (27/1).

    Cowardly IslamoNazis hide behind masks in another Indonesian city


    That would be fine, but then he goes back to IslamoNazi basics, with a threat that if there are any reports from malls not to his taste, he’ll be back with ‘a lot more’ of his hoodlum horde.

    In other words, ‘do as you’re told or it’ll be the worse for you!’

    And what will the police do then, we have to ask?


    • RealTrueCrusader 13:10 on December 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      You go out in muslim clothes and spend time with ‘muslim friends’. What’s with you?
      It’s no good talking about islamonazis and then fooling around like that.
      We have Obummer appesing these people, we don’t need allies like you.
      Wake up or shut up.


    • Asrofin 15:13 on December 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I in my return wish you a Merry Christmas for tomorrow.
      I agree with you, this FPI is big insult to all our Muslim Indonesia people..
      Same like the NU again say today, the FPI hurt Islam when they show the hate they have for Christmas in Surabaya.


    • JazPen 08:34 on December 27, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      What will the police do then, you ask, Ross, and I read in the Jakarta Globe that the answer is bad news fot freedom of religion in Indonesia. .
      ” The media liaison officer of the Surabaya Police, Adj. Sr. Comr. Lily Djafar, confirmed that all the district police headquarters in Surabaya had sent letters to businesses under their jurisdiction with advice to refrain from overt Christmas displays for their shops. She reasoned that it was important so as not to give reason for FPI to raid these businesses. ”

      The police should be arresting these people and not doing their job for them.,


  • ross1948 09:53 on December 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , , , ICNA, , , , San Bernardino, ,   

    Obama Won’t ‘Confront Extremism’ – Trump Should, Sensibly! 

    Having risen, wraith-like, after the deep sleep consequent to last night’s party, I have, as I rather expected, already had a request for my views on Donald Trump.

    Do I agree with his call to deny all Muslims entry to America?

    • morning%20coffee
    • At that party from which I’m recovering, I mingled merrily with Muslims galore. Later today, I expect a Muslim friend to call by for a visit. Another is due here on Friday and yet another on Saturday.

    So no Trump-style ban operates under my roof.

    But as commenter Merahputih presumably wants a more considered response, please read on.

    La Stampa quoted the father of the shooter, also named Syed Farook, as saying.


    • Hasil gambar untuk california terrorists
    • ——————–-

    “I always used to say to him, be calm, patience, in two years’ time Israel will no longer exist,” he said, in remarks reported in Italian. 

    “Geopolitics are changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants Jews over there. They will put them all in Ukraine. Why bother fighting them? We did that before, and we lost,” the 67-year-old said. Father of shooter: Farook ‘agreed with IS ideology’, report says

    So the death-cult killer’s Daddy is not a terrorist. Right?

    He merely looks forward to the removal of Israel from the map of the world!




    That echoes the poster message we have featured before, published by Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia, a hate-group banned, please note, by several Muslim countries though not, despite another ‘cast-iron’ pledge by Cameron, in the UK.

    Best to kick the old Daddy brute out of America!

    And Mummy?

    Get this, from the Daily Caller –

    Rafia Farook, the mother of San Bernardino terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook, is an active member of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), a Muslim organization that promotes the establishment of a caliphate and has ties to a radical Pakistani political group called Jamaat-e-Islami.


    Farook’s affiliation with ICNA was revealed on Friday when MSNBC and other new outlets scoured the Farooks’ apartment in Redlands, Cal. An MSNBC reporter found a certificate of appreciation presented to Safia Farook last summer by ICNA’s sisters’ wing.



    And an explanatory note

    ICNA may not be an official target of the investigation at this point but they are hardly the poster child for moderation in the Muslim community. They’ve welcomed terrorist recruiter Anwar al-Awlaki to their events and another of their members was indicted on federal terrorism charges in April after having been discovered plotting a different terrorist attack in the United States.    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/07/great-news-syed-farooks-mom-is-part-of-a-pro-caliphate-group/

    So best to boot Mummy out of America as well!



    • trump
    • ==
    • …I don’t agree with Donald Trump’s latest call for a ban on Muslims entering America.


    Let’s look at some Muslims in North America, those as dissimilar as could be from the San Bernardino beast and his fanatic family.


    TarekTarek Fateh A Muslim Voice of Reason – Khadr May Return, IF………!!!!  

    First of all, he must renounce jihad and the application of jihad and sharia law.”  

    Witch-Hunt In America – Against A Muslim Patriot! 

    Trump’s proposal would effectively ban heroic Muslims like Tarek Fateh from coming into the USA from Canada and will undoubtedly embarrass decent American Muslims like Zuhdi Jasser – read those links above!


    fpi kill busddhist Indonesian Islamists


    My view is largely based on living here in Indonesia, a 90% Muslim country, and having Muslim friends, often as visitors to my home, who share my loathing and revulsion at the vile atrocities perpetrated by Islamists.

    Every day I eat with, talk with, and travel with ordinary Muslim people here in Jakarta. They’re nice, friendly folks, for the most part. Why penalise them for the evil propounded by Islamists?

    The Islamists here in Indonesia don’t just seek to make the lives of non-Muslims a constant misery…


    bima-arya-sugiarto-ketua-dpp-pan ”moderate’ mayor

    X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’ 

    …but also torment dissident Muslims like the Ahmadis and the Shia (some of whom I’ve seen at the Yasmin services in town, uniting in protests at religious persecution)

    Islamists also do all in their power to corral normal Sunni Muslim citizens, the kind I sit beside on kopajas and in my favourite warteg…


    warteg warteg kopaja kopaja


    …into a kill-joy Creeping Shariah world, totally incompatible with the cheerful character of the Indonesian people. Creeping Shariah,’ Warns Prof. Muhammed, As Jakarta Dims! )

    There are MANY truly moderate Muslims here, not just posers like that callow Bogor mayor who won’t stand up to intolerance.


    No, what Trump should do is to name and shame organisations like ICNA, and Obama’s play-mates in CAIR.

    He should demand they REPENT!


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    Wherever their money comes from, CAIR have branches all over the USA and ready access to the lap-dog media which covers up their own extremist ideology.

    So if CAIR ( and ICNA) and were to declare clearly and unequivocally that it is not only criminal but also a sin against reason, and against any rational person’s concept of God Almighty, to threaten or incite harm against people who convert to another faith, and that it is both barbaric and moronic to incite or threaten violence against people who commit ‘blasphemy….’


    • freedom-of-religion
    • …these organisations could do some good.

    CAIR (and ICNA) might also usefully remind their followers in all fifty states that free speech is embedded in the United States Constitution and allows anybody the right to mock or satirise or criticise religions.

    CAIR ( and ICNA) could helpfully add that it is every American Muslim’s duty to put loyalty to his or her country FAR ahead of any notion that there should be some sort of sectarian solidarity with non-American Muslims in lands where America’s armed forces are engaged in combat.

    Denunciation of all those indisputably EVIL ideological positions by CAIR and ICNA would redeem their reputation in the eyes of patriots.

    I would welcome Trump’s ( or Obama’s!) call on these outfits to echo the good Muslim Tarek Fateh and repudiate ‘the application of jihad and shariah law.’

    Though sadly I doubt either CAIR or ICNA would heed it. 


  • ross1948 00:23 on July 18, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , apostasy, , , , , , , , , Saeed Abedini,   

    Apostates? Just Folks Who Think For Themselves! Sign the Petition! 

    Been contemplating this shocking story about censorship in American universities for a while, following on from our previous pieces on how intolerant Islamists tried, and, disgracefully, succeeded in curtailing campus freedoms when students wanted to watch American Sniper. 

    Enemy Within Captures Another US Campus 

    But this case is worse.

    An opinion piece written by a student at the University of California-Berkeley explaining her decision to leave Islam has been pulled from the school newspaper’s website over fears for the author’s safety.   http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/students-anti-islam-article-retracted-due-to-safety-risk/

    We all abhor the ludicrous blasphemy laws in barbaric Middle East countries and dumps like Pakistan.

    Here in Indonesia too such legislation exists, and is used not so much for real ‘blasphemy’ as to let the fanatics in the Sunni community persecute those who dissent from their dogmas.


    tajulTajul, one of Indonesia’s prisoners of conscience https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/indonesia-shariah-fanatics-howl-for-blood/


    But personally, I get most livid about the iniquitous attitude towards ‘apostates,’ as if apostasy, changing one’s religion, is somehow bad.




    Of course it’s not.

    Apostasy is the formal renunciation of one’s religion. One who commits apostasy is called an apostate.


    Intelligent people actually make use of the brains that God gives them to think for themselves, and if that means they come to the conclusion that the creed they were brought up in does not make sense any longer, then they’ll leave it.

    They may cease to believe in anything at all, or they may switch to another religion that suits them

    Whatever, it’s entirely up to them. And good luck to them in their spiritual quest. If God Almighty is sitting up there in Heaven and doesn’t like what they decide…


    • wrath-of-god
    • … well..
    • He’ll getcha! And He needs no help from us. ,

    I certainly may not always agree with the reasoning of people who ‘jump the dyke,’ as the old Ulster phrase has it. But, if somebody converts in or out of a faith, I respect their decision.

    A recent example was the daughter-in-law of Indonesia’s President Jokowi, who abandoned her Christian religion to marry the President’s son. Nobody forced her to do this, so I respect her choice. If her groom had chosen to become a Christian, I’d have respected that too!

    Apostasy is nobody else’s concern.


    • freedom-of-religion
    • oooooooooooooo
    • Now, back to the issue.
    • The opinion piece, titled “On Leaving Islam,” recounted the personal story of the narrator (whose name we will withold) growing up a devout (though moderate) Muslim in Pakistan, but later abandoning the faith as she learned more about the world.

    No need for me to go through the whole article. There’s the link if you want to do so.

    But what is utterly appalling is that a few days after the article was posted, it was taken down and replaced by a note from ‘Californian’ editor-in-chief Kimberly Veklerov that reads “This opinion blog has been retracted because of personal safety concerns.”


      Unforthcoming Editor Veklerov


    And this Veklerov woman is refusing to reveal what sort of threats, to whom, and from whom, these safety concerns arose.

    Certainly, if you read the article, you’ll have to agree that it was no hate-screed. The author declared an intention to share what I’ve learned about Islam over the years. I plan to defend it and give credit where it’s due.


    • censorship
    • ————————
    • So my guess would be it’s not so much any personal or even theological content but the mere fact that this young person has thought seriously about Islam, then abandoned it.

    If a friend of mine gave up on the Protestant religion, in which I was raised, I’d be curious about his or her reasons. I might even debate them, in friendly fashion.

    But I wouldn’t be unpleasant to the apostate.

    And as for making physical threats – only a filthy savage would do that.


    devil destroyed


    The full text of the article, without the author’s namecan be read here.

    But whilst writing all this, I came upon a petition, about a pastor, imprisoned by the evil regime in Iran.



    \ Pastor Saeed Abedini with his family, before his imprisonment in Iran.

    This man has committed no crime understood as such by civilised human beings.

    He’s held prisoner for his religious beliefs. The pig-ignorant savages who have him want to force him into apostasy. Tehran does not tolerate people’s right to worship peacefully according to their conscience.

    Each day Iranian guards demand he recant his Christian faith and become Muslim. He is threatened with an extended sentence.

    I think we should support him.  

    Here’s the petition link.



  • ross1948 11:38 on June 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , , , , ,   

    HaHaHahaHa – ‘Human Rights’ Conference in Saudi? 

    Sometimes the UN completely forgets itself, drops the mask of benign Big Brother and shows the watching world its rancid essence, hypocrisy incarnate.

    Only a week or so ago we covered the thousand lashes ordered on an innocent blogger there…

    We’re Fighting ISIS? While Saudi Savages Order 1000 Lashes On A BLOGGER? 

    …for expressing views on Islam unacceptable to the backward brutes who run the Saudi cess-pool.

    Apart from the shariah subjugation of women, denied the right to drive a car and compelled to cloak themselves in ugly black shrouds…





    …there are disgusting laws which decree death for basic freedoms like the right to convert from one religion to another, intolerance enhanced by applying this ‘apostasy’ law only to those who decide Islam is not for them. 

    If a Christian turns apostate and converts to Islam, no penalties result.

    Mind you, there aren’t many Christians – not a single church is allowed to exist. And if any attempt is made to spread the Gospel, the Saudi savages regard this as such a threat that they will impose draconian punishment on any brave evangelist captured by their thought-police..



    No country which criminalises the right to choose how to worship God can be considered civilised, much less a suitable venue for discussion of human rights, much less one themed combating intolerance and violence based on religious belief. http://rt.com/news/265654-saudi-arabia-human-rights/.

    Yet some klutz named Joachim Rucker, a German socialist, who no doubt lives both freely and splendidly in his role as President of the United Nations Human Rights Council, opened the event by saying – straight-faced – “Religious intolerance and violence committed in the name of religion rank among the most significant human rights challenges of our times.”


    Joachim Rücker6e6cb-hypocrisyofoursociety



    So with such a golden opportunity to point out handy examples, did he pinpoint his hosts as among the vilest perpetrators of these evils?

    Hardly. They sit as honoured members of his HRC!



    Instead the pinko was all oily smiles, as were the other UN toads in attendance. Sickening clowns!


    Who can dispute the words of one campaigner on the subject.  

    “For top UN human rights officials to now visit Jeddah and smile while human rights activist Raif Badawi languishes in prison for the crime of religious dissent, still under threat of further flogging, is to pour salt in the wounds. It’s astonishing.” 

  • ross1948 10:40 on May 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , , , , , , Javanese rhythm, , , , , recitation   

    Jokowi On Blasphemy Charge? Java Rhythm ‘Enflames’ Fanatics! 


    President Jokowi has quite lot to contend with these days, both home and abroad, and even gets criticism from our blog from time to time.

    But a new clamour has arisen, from that ever-ready source of intolerance, the IslamoNazi FPI, the self-styled ‘Islam Defenders Front.’

    They want him PROSECUTED for blasphemy!


    They’ve got their white-shirt knickers in a twist because last week’s State Palace celebration of the Islamic Ascension included Koranic readings in which the verses were recited with rhythms associated with Indonesia, rather than with Arabia.

    Given that the State Palace is located in Jakarta, capital city of Indonesia, a naive observer might see nothing amiss with this.

    Indeed, many observers, not at all naive, might raise a cheer, because it tends to be that minority of Muslims who pay much too much attention to backward Arab thnking who cause offence and disturbance.

    The more Indonesianised any Islamic activities become, surely the better for all concerned.


    gus dur fasting

    ‘We Muslims should fast with respect for those not fasting.’


    The late President Gud Dur was a fine example of how to apply Islamic standards in a Javanese (i.e.tolerant and civilised) manner. 

    Among those whose response suggests approval are that refreshing fellow, Lukman, about whom it would be uncharitable to say that he’s the best Minister of Religious Affairs since Suryadharma Ali.

    Truth to tell, my cat would have been an improvement  on Ali.


    In fact, Lukman is an admirable man, who seems to be a person of genuine good character and goodwill to all men.

    Anyway, Lukman defended the use of Javanese rhythms at the palace, despite many who say such a manner of recitation is forbidden.

    “The purpose of reading the Koran with Java style is to keep and maintain the tradition of the archipelago in spreading the teachings of Islam in this country,” said Lukman on his personal Twitter account.


    • ……………

    Today, how many Indonesians can afford to study Arabic in school, even supposing they can afford to go to school at all?

    Of couse, there are pesantren, the so-called ‘Islamic boarding schools,’ but while I’m prepared to concede that some of those are run by good people, a lot are NOT! Many are at best described as obscurantist!

    Lukman Slams Pesantren Fanatics – Can One Brave Man Slay The Hydra? 

    Others are much worse than that!


    But Indonesia has a way to go before that kind of progress is conceivable. Having prayers in Bahasa Indonesia? Or Bahasa Jawa or Bahasa Sunda? Read about the police investigation into Muhammad Yusman Roy for conducting Islamic ritual prayers (shalat) in two languages, Arabic and Indonesian.   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2005/08/12/mui-fatwa-negates-freedom-religion-human-rights.html


    Let’s just be glad for now that the Javanese rhythm is getting support.

    But not from some geezer called Saiful Islam Mubarak, who runs – yes, you guessed! – the Pesantren Tinggi Maqdis.



    He reckons this step challenges the character of the Koran. 

    Lukman’s response is mild.

    “That’s understandable because this is something new and gives rise to diverse views…This is purely my own proposal… something positive with positive goals…,” said Lukman.

    BUT there’s no show without Punch!

    Lukman’s opinion enflamed the FPI!


    • habib-fpi-rizieq Rizieq
    • ————————————
    • Their frantic fanatic fuhrer, Habib Rizieq, modestly demanded that “the President and the Minister repent and ask forgiveness before God, and apologize to all Muslims.

    ALL Muslims?

    Since when did this outlandish gang-leader speak for ALL Muslims?

    Jokowi’s a Muslim, Lukman’s a Muslim, and Lukman consulted various ulama (‘scholars’) prior to the recital.  

    But Rizieq’s having none of that archaic (and Javanese-style!) rubbish about respecting other’s views.

    “If not, they must be processed with the blasphemy law and ousted from office because of insulting the Koran. Legally, insulting the Koran is apostasy. An apostate cannot lead Muslims!” 



    apocalypse-30 The end of the world…

    No more comment required!

  • ross1948 23:10 on April 15, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: apostasy, , , , , , ,   

    Jogjakarta Fanatics Demand Ban on Christian Worship! 



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