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  • ross1948 09:20 on January 4, 2019 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , clemency, , , Meiliana mosque noise,   

    Good On Ya, Scomo – Oz Protests Plan To Free Ba’asyir The Unrepentant! 


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    • I used to think Indonesia’s Religious Affairs Minister, Lukman Hakim Saifuddin, represented a great leap forward, and, compared to the intolerant bigot who held that job before him…

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    Appointed by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono earlier this month to run the new task force into pornography, Ali told reporters in Jakarta yesterday that a set of universal criteria must be decided. He added that, “one criteria will be when anyone is wearing a skirt above the knee.”

    But Lukman’s pronouncements on the unleashing of convicted terror beast Abu Bakr Ba’asyir  “A Wise And Noble Step?” Islamic ‘Scholars’ On Terrorist Unleashed In Indonesia!– make me wonder, notably if he understands what forgiveness is all about.

    Lukman has asked the Indonesian people to forgive what the Jakarta Post euphemistically calls the ‘firebrand cleric‘ – whom most people would describe as a vicious, villainous fanatic. The JP goes on to remind us that Ba’asyir is a terror convict believed to have been responsible for the 2002 Bali bombings. 

    https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/01/20/he-is-really-old-religious-affairs-minister-asks-indonesians-to-forgive-baasyir.html

    Even given that belief, some people might, depending how their minds function, be prepared to take a relaxed view of the jihadist fiend’s release, since, as an octogenarian, he will, sooner rather than later, be dead, and burning in Hell for all eternity.

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    But even so…

    Lukman’s call for ‘public support’ of  Jokowi’s decision is apparently founded on a misunderstanding of forgiveness, which ( in the religion I was raised in – Protestantism) depended on repentance. If somebody says he’s sorry, and means it, then you should forgive him.

    Admittedly, I’m no expert on Muslim theology, but certainly here in Indonesia, Muslims who get together on Idul Fitri, Eid, after the Ramadan month, ask each other for forgiveness – mohon ma’af…

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    …for anything they’ve done wrong.

    But Lukman simply says “Every religion teaches us to forgive even the sinful ones. [Ba’asyir]’s condition has weakened because of old age and illness, so let us forgive him.”

    What, even if the sinful sectarian is not even a tiny bit sorry for the evil he’s done?

    And THAT is why the concern expressed by Australia’s Prime Minister Scott Morrison is so welcome.

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    If Ba’asyir the Beast had finally recognised what an affront to humanity he is, if he had promised to kneel down outside the Australian Embassy in Jakarta in a public show of remorse for his foul words and deeds – heck, if he had disowned his monstrous ideology and sworn allegiance to the pluralist Pancasila principles of the Republic of Indonesia…

    But another issue of the JP tells us exactly how sorry Ba’asyir is.

    Ba’asyir, who is eligible to be released on parole on Dec. 13, insists on DEFYING a general condition of parole that requires him to express LOYALTY to the national ideology Pancasila, which is STIPULATED in Government Regulation No. 99/2012 on sentence reduction for inmates, including those convicted of terrorism….So [Ba’asyir] will be released unconditionally. His house will not be guarded by police. He can opine that DEMOCRACY IS A TRANSGRESSION (OF ISLAM) – We will let him…” (my capitalisation)

    That was said by Jokowi’s lawyer who thinks it acceptable that that Ba’asyir would continue to insist that he ”would only obey God.”  

    https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/01/19/lawyer-says-baasyirs-release-not-gift-from-jokowi.html

    Of course none of these quibblings would be necessary if only Indonesia executed every terrorist, as happened, to general joy, when the Bali Bomb Pigs were shot…

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    …but…

     
    • Heru 12:55 on January 22, 2019 Permalink | Reply

      Yes this is what I want to say too.
      Baasyir should apologise to ALL of us both Australians and Indonesians for his terror and should give up his hate.
      If not,keep him in a cage forever.

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  • ross1948 11:24 on March 16, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , clemency, , Dwi Trisna Firmansyah, , , , sadistic murderer   

    Pak Jokowi, How Can You Execute Them But Not Dwi Trisna Firmansyah? 


    In all conscience, I can do nothing other than say the executions of the two Australian drug-smugglers, scheduled for this month, should be cancelled, and their sentences commuted.

    As I’ve argued all along, it’s not for foreign governments to badger or bully Indonesia. The law is clear and criminals know the penalties.

    But we are all entitled to an opinion, and our opinions should not be immutable if the situation changes.  The change that’s made me post this way today is called Dwi Trisna Firmansyah .

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    • President Jokowi has just spared his life. 
    • I think that is a great shame. Dwi Trisna Firmansyah and his two comrades-in crime deserve to die. 

    The three convicts brutally killed their victims when they were performing the Subuh prayer on April 16, 2012. They robbed their victims of one Daihatsu Terios car, two motorcycles, 12 mobile phones, dozens of cell phone vouchers, vehicle ownership documents (BPKB), vehicle registration certificates (STNK) and three bags containing a sum of money. The three criminals later fled to Palembang, South Sumatra before the police arrested them.

    As with the Bali crims, there seems not even a hint of innocence in this case.  Scum who slaughter innocent victims at prayer should be put down.

    As with sectarian vermin like the Bali Bomb pigs.

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    I had been hoping that Jokowi’s tough stance on the current controversy would usher in a wave of death penalties for jihadist terrorists. Capital punishment is a good thing, badly needed back in Western countries where swine like the Woolwich murderers are now being molly-coddled in prison instead of rotting in dishonourable graves.

    But if a local louse is to be let off the hook, for no good reason …

    Asep previously filed an appeal and for a case review – both were rejected by the Pekanbaru High Court and Supreme Court – before he requested clemency…http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/03/15/jokowi-fulfils-clemency-request-death-row-murderer-pekanbaru.html

    …then how can a similar response be withheld from those Australians on death row?

    Many Indonesians will be as dismayed as I am with Jokowi’s sudden switch to namby-pamby style – ‘ wounded sense of justice’ is one quote from many media which identify the lucky louse accurately as a ‘sadistic murderer.’ Beri Grasi Pembunuh Sadis di Pekanbaru, Jokowi Dikritik Metroterkini14 Mar 2015

    So Jokowi has this week disappointed many of his own people.

    If he goes ahead with the execution of the Australians, he will face accusations of double standards, or worse.

    And not only by Australians.

     
    • Andri 11:42 on March 16, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Jokowi will be thought unjust or even maybe a racist if he gives his amnesty to this horrible criminal who has actually killed people, and then has the drug smugglers shot. They do not deserve sympathy but they have not actually killed people cruelly.

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    • prita 09:19 on March 17, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I do not agree with you, Ross.
      Two wrongs do not make a rght, is the English saying.
      It is wrong for Presiden Jokowi to give clemency to the bad murderer.
      Yes.
      But you want him to give clemency to the bad drug criminal?
      No.

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    • Slamet 09:53 on March 17, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      You same like me disappointed at Jokowi. He will not speak for KPK, will not make police be fair .

      Now this strange choosing to give life not death to the killer of a family who were at praying.
      So it is not justice to give death to the Australia criminal two. Jokowi must make fresh start, tell us why he has done this great error with Dwi Trisna Firmansyah or better if he take back the clemency.

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    • Santi 12:01 on March 17, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I also am angry with Jokowi to see him giving this sadistic murderer escape from death sentence. I am agreeing with people in that area who ask if the President truly understand what Dwi did.
      You make me think about this.
      I think the drug smuggler from Australia do not deserve clemency but if Jokowi will give his mercy to the sadistic murderer how may he do different with the Australians.

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    • Steve G 09:54 on March 18, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I came here to read your tourist blurb on Kunstkring but noticed you write about all kinds of things.
      Your views are a bit too conservative for me, Ross, but you are due credit fir this post. Jokowi has made a fool of himself commuting the murderer’s death sentence but refusing to do the same for two non-murderers,

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