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  • ross1948 15:35 on December 7, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , female circumcision. MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), , Islamist 'scholars', ,   

    Another Petition? Yes! Fight Turdo’s Pro-FGM Manoeuvres 

    Every time I see Justin Turdo, my urge to vomit becomes ever more overpowering.



    His latest stunts are among his most nauseating yet.

    It was sickening to see his grovel to ‘gays…’

    …but one must conclude he’s used to getting down on his knees to please all kinds of queers.

    And his monstrous ‘Welcome Home’ to ISIS rape-gang scum on the run…



    ….after the defeat of their satanic ‘caliphate  is outrageous (though not much different from Theresa May’s…May’s Terror ‘Watch-Dog’ Shows Blunt Fangs! …at least The Turd doesn’t pretend he’s a Conservative!)

    However, decent Canadians are fighting back, and here’s one way to help in their struggle.

    Many regular readers will be aware of the shocking way leading members’ of the Indonesian Ulema (‘Scholars!’) Council have championed mutilation of girls here.

    Women Fight ‘Scholar’-Blessed FGM In Indonesia! 

    “Circumcision hopefully will make her less amorous…” Islamist Ignorance Targets Tots 

    The last thing Canadians should countenance is any importation of the malign misogynist practice into Canada.

    ‘The Zero-Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act’ – Canada Tells It Like it Is! 

    But Turdo ALWAYS felt it unacceptable to tell it like it is.  So here we are, and here’s the petition!


    Foto noliberals.ca.



    • The citizenship guide is a tool utilized by newcomers to Canada as a resource to learn about our country and prepare for the citizenship test
    • Canada is a welcoming and tolerant society that promotes gender equality at home and on the world stage
    • Performing or assisting in female genital mutilation (FGM) is a crime in Canada
    • Recent reports indicate that FGM practices are affecting Canadians, both at home and abroad
    We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to ensure that the final draft of the new citizenship guide includes the condemnation of female genital mutilation.


    Closed for signature : February 3, 2018, at 10:37 a.m. (EDT)
  • ross1948 08:49 on August 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Angela Jelita, female circumcision. MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), , ,   

    Women Fight ‘Scholar’-Blessed FGM In Indonesia! 

    An excellent article in the usually very readable Indonesia Expat magazine this week…



    An interesting magazine, not only because of the beauties often featured


    …reminding us of the baneful influence of the MUI, the Indonesian Council of ‘Scholars,’ who are subsidised by the state and issue fatwas about all sorts of issues, some of which cause amusement, like that against yoga, but others genuinely alarming.

    We’ve had to report on their intolerant outbursts too many times.

     Bali Hindu King – Don’t Kill Our Cows! Muslim ‘Scholars’ – Get Lost!!  

     Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    Much of the misery inflicted on the utterly inoffensive Ahmadi creed arose after the MUI diktat branding them heretics.

    “Mohon Ma’af?” Blasphemous Brutes Vandalise Depok Mosque! 

    The ‘scholars’ express views that often echo the most appalling aspects of backward Islamist ‘thinking.’

    We’ve often covered one example of that…


    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said. 

    • What’s remarkable, too, is that, despite President Jokowi’s campaign slogans calling for a ‘Mental Revolution’ across the archipelago, his government has not yet heeded women’s demands ban this abhorrent mutilation.

    • As Angela explains –

    • In 2006 the government tried to ban the practice, a move that proved unsuccessful and was lifted.

    • That was during the term of Jokowi’s predecessor, SBY, whose presidency also saw religious discrimination made state policy with the Tri-Ministerial Decree.

    • ===
    • The Ahmadis have long been persecuted in the country, with the government issuing a joint ministerial decree banning their activities in 2008.  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/06/24/ahmadiyah-mosque-in-depok-vandalized-ahead-of-idul-fitri.html

    • That has never yet been revoked.

    • So will the President do the right thing and outlaw FGM?

    • -===
    • I wonder.

    • Wahyu 13:20 on August 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I think this Angela is very good with what she writes, and you too.
      MUI always so much think like Arabs thinking and not like we in Indonesia thinking.
      I wish Jokowi will make reform but I do not expect it.


    • Santi 14:03 on August 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I agree that MUI is not what Indonesia need and FGM is cruel and crazy thing to do to girls. So bad and backward.
      You maybe getting crazy too Ross if you think this president will change anything that MUI will not agree.


    • Jim in Jakarta 23:10 on August 11, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Hey, Ross, you have yet to discuss Jokowi’s new running mate, Ma’aruf Amin, the MUI ‘scholar.’
      Are you so fed up with the creeping shariah here that you can’t be bothered?
      Or are you working on a really great article telling the world what sort of extremist Amin is?


  • ross1948 00:24 on December 31, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , female circumcision. MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), , , , Kirghizstan, , , ,   

    Sex ‘Not Sinful Even If By Force!’ New Year Fatwa Needed? 

    HTM, which seeks to establish a global caliphate, has been vocal in its demands, most recently for declaring Malaysia’s welcoming of US president Barack Obama in November as “haram.” 

    Not every day I find myself nodding in agreement with Hizbut Tahrir, but their distaste for Obama does evoke a certain empathy!

    However, the news item has more to say on that fanatic outfit’s outlook on the world we live in, which inspires me to applaud the Islamic authorities in Selangor, Malaysia – an equally rare occurrence!

    •  ======

    Silhouette weeping




    Only a week ago, I mentioned the need for ‘excommunication’ to counter ‘Islamophobia’ – by excising unpleasant elements altogether, decent Muslims could do wonders to facilitate useful dialogue with the non-Islamic world.

    Those Muslims whom I know and regard as friends certainly are horrified by the nonsense and nastiness of HT and, here in Indonesia, the FPI.  

    But my friends are everyday people, people whose voices are not heard in high places.

    Certainly, the Muslim ‘scholars’ in Jakarta have not included the deviance of such gangs among the many fatwas they issue, unlike in Malaysia’s Selangor state.

    • 3557c-hizbut-tahrir2
    • In the fatwa in the Selangor government gazette on September 17 and published today as a notice in Malay-language daily Sinar Harian, Hizbut Tahrir was declared a “deviant” movement for several reasons, including its claim that MPs, rulers and Islamic scholars here are infidels for accepting and following a government system that it claims to be against God’s will. 




    HT are notorious for their loathing of democracy, and of any concept of ‘human rights’ that might be comprehemsible to the rest of us.


    • fatwa mui sholeh
    • =============
    • Sadly, the top ‘scholars’ body here, the Majelis Ulema Indonesia, who could fatwa HTI, have a downright bizarre notion of ‘rights’ – one senior figure in the MUI famously described FGM as a human right!


    • ma'arruf amin
    • Their Deputy Chair, Ma’aruf Amin, made that infamous comment – female circumcision  a ‘human right?
    • ——————

    Clitoral Clip? No, ‘Scraping’ Suffices! TELL Us, Islamist ‘Scholars!’ WHY Do It? 

    • Elsewhere in recent news, I read that in such diverse countries as Pakistan…
    • ——————-
    • Please note – the sectarian ‘caliphate’ (dictatorship) would extend into Europe, through Greece almost to the Gates of Vienna – who’s been setting the scene for that recently!!
    • ————
    • ….and Kirghizstan, detention of HT flunkeys has been taking place. They are banned in numerous Muslim lands.

    Yet here in Indonesia, we’ve had to report not that long ago a case of the police – yes, the police! – handing over innocent orphans for ‘counselling’ by such hate-groups.   https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/muslim-school-burned-by-angry-crowd-police-enlist-islamonazis-to-counsel-kids/

    With Muslim New Year just gone by – on the same day I was enjoying Christmas Eve – it would have been pleasing if President Jokowi, and the MUI, and the National Police, had announced that the bans in Pakistan, Egypt, Bangladesh, Kirghizstan and elsewhere…


    • hizbut


    …were henceforth to be replicated across the archipelago.  That didn’t happen! However, tomorrow is everybody’s New Year, celebrated, as midnight tolls, by Indonesians of all faiths and of none. 

    So wouldn’t that ban make a wonderful start to 2016?

  • ross1948 14:46 on August 4, 2015 Permalink | Reply
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    Cameron’s Surprising Indonesian Imports! 

    Slightly surprised to read today that 50 cops are leaving Jakarta soon for the UK, where they will be given counter-terrorism training…


    • Densus-88
    • ……………………….

    Taking Out Terrorism – Indonesia’s Densus 88 Doing A Fine Job! 

    So much so that the Dark Agers have been demanding the unit be shut down! 

    devil destroyed Jakarta Jihadis V Anti-Terror Cops – A ‘VEILED’ Threat? 

    Maybe the British cops can learn something from their Indonesian guests!


    But the same BBC news item also included this fascinating sentence, where Cameron says the UK would “seek to learn” from Indonesia’s approach to countering extremism “with an exchange programme between religious and community leaders here and in the UK to foster a better understanding of what works.” UK and Indonesia agree ‘anti-IS plan’

    If Cameron really thinks that the government-recognised and state-subsidised ‘religious leaders’ here – the MUI – are fit and proper persons to foster anything, except grotesque intolerance…
     …and the disgusting practice of female circumcision….
    • ma'arruf amin  MUI’s Ma’ruf
    • —————

    Kiai Hajj Amin Ma’ruf, pointed out that it is an”advisable practise on moral grounds…he rejects any attempt to declare this practice illegal or contrary to the principles. It comes under the sphere of “human rights,” said the Islamist leader, and is “guaranteed by the Constitution.”    http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Indonesian-Ulema-in-favour-of-female-circumcision:-a-humanright-26948.html




    ….if Cameron thinks that lot are worth consulting, then he’d be best advised to sack whatever passes for the information-gathering section in that lovely new British Embassy down Jalan Rasuna Said.
     UK embassy
    Get hold of some people who are familiar with what those sectarian ‘scholars’ are really all about.
    NB -there are decent Muslim clerics/scholars here but the MUI is the official organisation and if the Indonesian Government is arranging the ‘exchanges,’ then logically it’s to the MUI they’ll turn.
    • Interested Onlooker 19:28 on August 6, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Do you know the process by which information/intelligence is gathered by the embassy, which sources it comes from and by whom it is collated and disseminated back to Her Majesty’s government? Also, when you say “get hold of some people who are familiar with what those ‘sectarian’ scholars are really all about”, to whom do you refer?


      • ross1948 21:16 on August 6, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Hello, I.O.

        I am not into publishing comments from people who clearly are concealing their real names, but since – unlike one or two morons (probably one) who have attempted obnoxious input recently – you are coherent and avoid insults, here you are.

        I assume those questions are rhetorical, but I will answer one or two of them when you identify yourself and your purpose in asking them.
        I will say that there are some people in the UK diplomatic outpost who obviousy have too much time on their hands and could be made to do honest work instead of interfering in Indonesia’s internal affairs on the issue of capital punishment.


    • Interested Observer 22:50 on August 6, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Hi again,

      It’s interesting this policy you have of selectively requesting real names or identities in order to publish comment or criticism. Both major English dailies and most Indonesian newspapers here do not apply such stringent conditions to their comments sections and since you represent yourself as part of the media here,
      I find it strange that you do this.

      Furthermore, those regularly posting comments here do so under assumed monikers, for example “Bristol”, “Gimlet Eye” and “Jazpen”. Moreover, there is nothing to identify you on this blog, save for those who supposedly know you in real life leaving comments occasionally, and your blog lacks a section giving biographical details on its author(s).

      It seems somewhat evasive that you shut down discussion by asking for identification when other media in Jakarta allow for vigorous comment under assumed names. If you wanted to enforce this, you could use a comments platform that required registration or verification of identity.

      Your final sentence in the reply above is somewhat of a red herring. My inquiry was to your knowledge of information gathering processes by embassy staff and not to other unrelated activities they may or may not carry out. Are you trying to suggest that this process is compromised by those whose job it is to do so devoting time to other tasks? If so, how do you know this and can you present evidence to support this? Who in particular has too much time on their hands. What percentage of their working time is devoted to “interfering in Indonesia’s internal affairs”?

      But I am really interested to know who should be informing the UK government about anti-radicalisation efforts, in your opinion. Do you suggest the task be handed to someone like Sidney Jones, formerly of the International Crisis Group and now heading IPAC, a group that devotes much of its efforts to understanding the causes of violent radicalism in Indonesia. Or perhaps you mean Noor Huda Ismail of the International Institute for Peace Building, who is on the front lines of de-radicalisation efforts. Both speak frequently at a range of events in Jakarta and are highly regarded by business people, diplomats, local and foreign law enforcement and others with an interest in the subject. A simple Google search will show how often their opinions on such matters are cited by a range of media, and both have an extensive body of research available mostly online for free.

      Yes, my questions where rhetorical. I get the feeling that by “people who are familiar with what those ‘sectarian’ scholars are really all about”, you are referring to yourself. If this is the case, have you ever addressed any of the numerous forums that are devoted to such issues around Jakarta such as the JFCC or OSAC? Or do you act as a consultant offering services on such matters to embassies or other potential clients? If so, do you have information outlining the scope and costs of such services? Are you able to identify other players in the market place who offer such services and how yours differs as offers valuable and unique insight into the complex issue of radicalisation and inter-faith relations in Indonesia? If not, can you suggest someone who might offer such services in lieu of those doing so now?

      I really appreciate you taking the time to reply and hope you will excuse this somewhat lengthy response, but I think we can both agree that it is important that media, bloggers included, are held to account and that what is written does not go unchecked. Thanks and all the best.



      • ross1948 23:34 on August 6, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Aha, a serious critic.
        You deserve a few brief responses, sir, for being civil, which is one reason i operate a selective comments admission policy. We used to have one particular clown who ranted about his alleged military record but was too timid to reveal himself, and while there are blogs, and Jakarta English-language papers, that seem to revel in that sort of thing, I don’t. This is not a debating club. It’s a platform for conservative opinion (and for some frivolous fun now and then – which is why Bristol and co. get free rein)
        There was, and probably still is, a blog which had to-ing and fro-ing that lasted for months, maybe years, by maybe half-a-dozen guys, on a single topic. I found that boring and did not want to replicate it here.
        Sidney Jones, yes I met her briefly at a meeting here in jakarta, dashed fine woman. I quoted one of her publications recently.
        Moving on, I would be flattered if the diplomatic corps rang me up for advice but their political masters don’t currently have much time for conservatives, so i don’t sit breathless by the phone. .
        Nor am I touting for business.
        But I do follow the hogwash spouted by MUI ‘scholars’ and am amazed at the thought of any of them going to the UK to advise on anything. That’s what the post was about, that got you asking. I’m perplexed – why would Cameron think to invite any such ‘scholar’ Surely, his local flunkeys must have told him that? We must wait and see who does go overseas.
        There are, as I said in the post, some very good, honourable ulemas here. But even decent chaps like the current Minister of Religion legitimise IslamoNazis by treating them as respectable citizens worthy of a welcome mat..
        My ‘secret identity’ is truly the name at the top of the blog, and if you actually live in Jakarta it’s not so hard to find people who know me, both friends and foes.
        You can even probably find some of the ripping yarns I’ve published over my years in town, but although I have a laugh sometimes with posts on my search for decent eateries,etc., this blog is not really about me.
        The West is in crisis, and having spent many years doing what I could to resist the triumph of what I regard as evil, this is my residual contribution to the cause.
        I rarely reply to comments, and never as long as this, but you are polite, so there you are. But no more.
        Otherwise it will become like the JP comments’ column, a hideous snake-pit.


    • JazPen 09:40 on August 7, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Hello Int
      Since you mentioned me, I am just joining in to say that Ross knows who I am and so he doesnt need to ask for my name rank or number.
      I dont really care who you are but you must have done something right to get such a long answer from our host.
      He gets some real nuts commenting like that mentally ill guy last year who told him to ‘just die.’
      I dont blame him for cutting them off.


  • ross1948 09:55 on June 20, 2015 Permalink | Reply
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    Top ‘Scholar’ Warns of Red Peril – If ID Cards Omit Your Creed! 


    There are probably few bloggers more anti-communist than I am. And I do focus on the comsymp elements here in Indonesia, notably in the English-language media.  

    Jakarta Post – Never Miss a Chance to Re-Hab Reds! 

    Jakarta Globe Promotes PKI Sympathiser’s Propaganda! 

    But I don’t reckon there’s any clear and present danger, not the way there was in 1965, when the totalitarian hypocrites of the PKI, Communist Party of Indonesia, staged their attempted kudeta.,


    • pkiposter
    • —————-

    That happily failed, but sparked a nationwide blood-bath, many victims of which were poor uneducated workers and peasants gulled into PKI fronts by unscrupulous marxist propaganda.


    But I had to laugh out loud when I read the outburst from Amidhan, Chairman of the state-sponsored Islamist ‘scholars’ outfit, the MUI.

    • ——————————-
    • Amidhan-MUI-2011 Amidhan


    He was addressing a meeting in Bekasi (one of the most fanatic-dominated areas in the country ) and warned his audience that there was a new-style communist threat to the country.

    And what signs had he discerned to support his fears?

    “It is no exaggeration to say we should be wary of this talk of the elimination of the religion column in the ID card…”


    Yeah, he actually said that! He’s alarmed that non-religious people, atheists, would also be allowed…”.

    Allowed…like, uh, somebody who happens to be atheist or agnostic should not be allowed to have an ID card (which here is essential for many purposes)  or does he recognise that everyone has the right to an ID card but expects that non-religious people should have to lie and pretend they are religious?

    In fact, we’ve covered the ID card issue before…



    • freedom-of-religion
    • ———————————–
    • …and while atheists might have problems, there’s a lot more of a problem with the shameful discrimination against Indonesian religions, the old creeds of the archipelago, not the imported ones like Islam, Buddhism or Christianity.
    • There was a terrible fuss back in the 1970s when Javanese kepercayaan, traditional mysticism, almost got the status of religion and could have been listed on citizens’ ID cards –  sectarian crackers were scared their flock might desert in droves!
    • —–. 
    • Sad to say, given previous MUI rants – Indonesia’s Arrogant Islamists – “Non-Denominational Belief Is Not a Religion!”    – it does seem as if the so-called ‘scholars’ believe the ‘godless’ have no right to enjoy any rights of citizenship.
    • —————
    • Iniquitous, of course, as bizarre as the notion that because some folks are not ‘religious,’ they must be Reds.
    • There was much more to Amdihan’s harangue, naturally, but it is even less persuasive than this ID card tripe.
    • If you feel like reading it, use Google Translate on this link to the Islamist site – http://www.hidayatullah.com/berita/nasional/read/2015/06/03/70996/kebangkitan-komunis-gaya-baru-dan-aliran-sesat-dinilai-bukan-lelucon.html  – which is about the only one that seems to have covered it.


  • ross1948 22:24 on December 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Islamist ‘Scholars’ Show Rare Wisdom! 




    din-syamsuddin-_120703152435-684 Din


    After my frequent criticism of the self-styled ‘scholars’  of the MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ) I find it necessary to applaud their chairman, Din Syamsuddin, who  has said that Muslims are allowed to greet their fellow Christians with a “Merry Christmas.” .http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/12/24/mui-allows-merry-christmas.html


    fatwa mui sholeh


    In my experence, most sane Muslims do so already! The dafter MUI fatwas are routinely ignored by rational people  – 

    Don’t Chuckle, Be Holy! ‘Excessive Humour’ Irks Jakarta ‘Scholars!’ 

    – and carry no legal force here in Jakarta or nationwide

    My attention had been diverted by my Bali break so I missed the pre-Christmas announcement.

    Nevertheless, it’s very positive ! 

    So good for Din!

    Now maybe the MUI can start prohibiting followers from engaging in barbaric practices such as female circumcision. 

    Circumcision hopefully will make her less amorous…” Islamist Ignorance Targets Tots 



     – and even exhorting co-religionists not to attack apostates! 


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