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  • ross1948 09:30 on November 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , forced conversion, , , Rimba   

    Religious Liberty – Indonesia Exposed! 


    These boys converted to Islam just a few months ago.
    “I will protect Islam till I die…” 
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    I felt very sorry for these children, and all the people in their community who have been pushed into apostasy, abandoning their age-old faith, when I watched the BBC programme a couple of days ago.

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    I had been planning to write something, but now I have found the report on the BBC website, hardly a ‘phobic’ source, and can refer you to the link below the headline.

    Indonesia’s Orang Rimba: Forced to renounce their faith

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41981430

    The incidentals in the report are off-putting enough, especially this –

    The Islamic Defenders Front – a vigilante group whose leader is facing charges of inciting religious violence – helped facilitate the conversion.

    But what is so tragic is this is happening only a week or so after I applauded Indonesia’s Constitutional Court for ruling that the principle of religious liberty applies not only to the major faiths…

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    Good News – Wow! – For Indonesian Religious Freedom! 

    ….but also to the traditional belief systems that have existed in the archipelago before foreign missionaries introduced the currently dominant creeds.

    It would be nice to rail against this theological blitz-krieg, but I prefer to let you peruse what the BBC has uncovered…

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    …as I look out the front door onto my sunny Jakarta yard and wonder why, every time I run across some hopeful news, something comes along soon after to dash those hopes.

     

     
    • JazPen 15:27 on November 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Its sad to see those little kids being indoctrinated and I think this just makes a joke about that ‘Mental Revolution’ we heard so much about.. ..
      Isnt President Jokowi going to do anything about this?

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    • Kezia 19:18 on November 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Poor children. Poor Rimba people.
      Poor Indonesia if this is done by our leaders and working with those FPI
      One day maybe we will have tolerance here again.

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    • Jim in Jakarta 16:09 on November 19, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      So the Constitutional Court says the minority religions here have rights but within a week or two their kids are being brainwashed?
      Sometimes the injustice here just makes me sick!

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  • ross1948 21:53 on June 1, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , forced conversion, , , , Monammad Shafia, , ,   

    Ten More Reasons For Canada To Bring Back Hanging? 


    I see ten suspected traitors have been held at Montreal Airport, allegedly aiming to enlist in the ranks of Canada’s sworn enemy, the jihadist rape-gang, ISIS.

    Police have seized the passports of all 10 young people and investigators have spoken to their families and friends. No one has yet been charged and the investigation is ongoing, the statement said.   http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/20/americas/canada-montreal-arrests/

    We waited patienty for an update. Here it is!

    Ten young Quebec Muslims who were detained for allegedly trying to join jihadist groups in Syria received precise travel instructions, financing advice and moral support from individuals they met at a Montreal mosque….

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/05/30/youth-trying-to-reach-syria-got-instructions-from-montreal-mosque-family-members-say.html,

    BUT!

    No charges have been laid in the case and all 10 youths were released from police custody.

    For God’s sake!

    A pack of treacherous vermin, off to join a rape-gang, which incidentally is at war with Canada, and they get a pat on the head and head off home to Mummy?

    Back when my Dad and many other Ontario lads joined up, in 1939/40, and sailed off to war, what would have been the response of normal Canadians if ten undesirables had been caught sleazing off to join the Waffen SS?

    agallows

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    So all a big case of mistaken identity?

    The ten were not really going anywhere?

    Or they were into archaeological field-trips?

    Or some sun-bathing on the Med?

    come on Canada

    Come on!

    The same report tells us their own families have asserted that they were carefully organised by some jihadist swine who hung about a mosque led by a rabid fanatic.  

    If anyone in Canada wants to make war on Canada, they are traitors. In the absence of capital punishment ( one hopes a temporary absence ) they should be released only to get the hell out of Canada, forever…

    …and let them join ISIS.

    With a bit of luck they’ll be shot by Kurds or Shi’ite militia – or anyone! Who cares who operates pest control?

    ooooooooooooo

    Which reminds me…

    . Even the CBC can produce a useful story now and then, and its report on the sectarian fiend who murdered his wife and daughters for non-compliance with a barbaric Dark Age code is an example.

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    hi-shafia-dec5                                                                                 The victims of the beast

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    After his first-degree murder conviction in 2012, Shafia took on a religious leadership role at the Kingston Penitentiary.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mohammad-shafia-intimidated-prisoners-into-attending-prayers

    Now it is conceivable that somebody convicted of even the most heinous crimes can genuinely repent of their sins – and there are few crimes more heinous than Mohammad Shafia’s.

    But the story makes clear there is no real repentance.

    Groves said he was surprised to find Shafia leading the religious gathering Friday given that he had shown little remorse for the 2009 killings. 

    Shafia’s three teenage daughters and his first wife in the polygamous marriage were found in a car submerged in the Kingston locks after a family road trip to Niagara Falls.

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    Shafia apparently murdered his victims  because of  displeasure with his daughters betraying traditional Afghan values and got life, without parole for at least 25 years.

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    Mohammad Shafia, his wife, Tooba Yahya and their son, Hamed, were convicted in 2012 of the murders of the couple's three daughters and Shafia's first wife. A national security committee was told Tuesday that Mohammad Shafia intimidated inmates into attending prayers.

    Vermin in captivity

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    Along with two other primitives, namely his second wife and son, serving the same sentence, the cost to Canadian tax-payers to feed and clothe and house these vermin behind bars for a quarter of a century is clearly enormous – millions of dollars!

    Money that could be spent on decent Canadians, REAL Canadians, who need it.

    The new CBC focus arises from the fact that this swine has been intimidating unwilling convicts into participation in religious rites – forced conversion included.

    This outrageous sectarian bullying was exposed when the prison psychologist, Robert Groves, testified before the national security and defence committee hearing on security threats facing Canada..    

    “They were not [all] Muslims but believed that they dare not refuse to attend Friday prayers,” he told the hearing….Groves said he believes Shafia was “self-appointed” in his role in the prison, and said about 25 men gathered for prayers.

    This creature should never have been allowed to live.

    vermin

    Unrepentant, satanically evil, he should certainly be permitted no position of responsibility in prison activities, ‘religious’ or otherwise.

    Freedom of religion, fair enough!

    But any preacher of any creed should be required to include in his sermons not just prayers for Queen and Country, but also condemnation of jihadist terrorism, and adjurations to his congregation to observe civilised Canadian standards –

    freedom-of-religion

    – in other words, RESPECT for freedom of religion – recognition of everyone’s right to adhere to a religion of his or her choice, including, of course, the right to convert in or out of the religion concerned. (I might add the problem is not only a Canadian one!  Intimidated Into Apostasy – Forced ‘Conversions’ in UK Jails  )

    And RESPECT for religious liberty includes NO demented drivel about punishing ‘apostates.’ 

     The story reminds me of what is reported of that diabolic old brute Abu Bakr Ba’asyir, imprisoned here in Indonesia for terrorist offences.

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    He too, it seems, is allowed to hold ‘religious’ services with other convicts gathering to hear his doctrines of hate.  

    Ba’asyir has preached to most of the 326 inmates about his dream of creating an Islamic state, or caliphate.  http://www.asianewsnet.net/ann_news.php?a=http://www.asianewsnet.net/Indonesian-terrorist-convict-Abu-Bakar-

    Both he and Shafia should be locked away in solitary confinement, until they mend their ways, which will probably be the day when Hell freezes!.

    “This form of intimidation is what one finds routinely with zealot extremists.”

    But isolating the swine, while maybe a practical solution to the problem of how they poison other minds, still falls short of justice – and probably costs even more from the public purse.

    The best thing to do with cold-blooded killers and terrorists is not to put them away but to put them down.

     
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