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  • ross1948 23:41 on June 15, 2018 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , gymnastiar, , , Jakarta Governor Ahok, Minister of Religious Affairs list of 'moderate' clerics   

    Wants To Lock ‘Blasphemers’ Up – Yet He’s A ‘Moderate?’ 


    I remember when I used to see Abdullah Gymnastiar on TV…

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    • ….a man who came across as an engaging sort, a Muslim cleric quite different, very different, from the unpleasant hate-preachers like Sobri Lubis of the FPI, the self-styled ‘Islam Defenders Front…’

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    ….infamous for his ( still on video) exhortation to a mob of rabid savages to ‘kill, kill, kill’ the peaceful Ahmadiyah minority.

    A.A. Gym, as he was known, had what you might call home-spun charm, and had a huge following of adoring housewives. That rather collapsed about a dozen years ago when he went Arab, by which, I mean polygamous.

    I say ‘went Arab’ because most Indonesians really do abhor the practice.

    They think it’s backward and sexist – and who can disagree, since what could be more sexist than allowing men to have multiple spouses, while women are limited to one?.

    So we didn’t get to see so much of Gym’s smiling face, until nearly two years ago, when who should pop up as ‘a proponent of the 212 rally.’ 

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/06/15/212-supporter-delivers-idul-fitri-sermon-in-istiqlal.html

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    The Jakarta Post this week gives us a fairly neutral, arguably timid, description of ‘212’ –a religiously-driven mass protest staged in December 2016 demanding the prosecution of then-Jakarta governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama’

    I would have defined it rather more harshly as a gang of Islamist fanatics.

    The outlandish anti-Ahok campaign held numerous ‘marches’ – actually shuffles – which brought out all manner of backward bigots onto the streets of Jakarta

    The protesters, most of whom were men dressed in white Muslim attire, were heard yelling, “We want a Muslim governor,” “Burn Ahok!” and “Kafir!”   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/10/14/thousands-hard-liners-march-against-ahok.htm

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    Their goal, the jailing of Ahok for ‘blasphemy’ – and some wanted a lot worse for Ahok than mere jail-time..like Habib Rizieq, ‘grand imam’ of the FPI.


    “We encourage the government to process the death penalty for Ahok as soon as possible,” said Rizieq.  http://www.suara.com/news/2016/10/14/134313/

    …yes, their goal, when achieved, did horrific damage to Indonesia’s reputation as a pluralist democracy. Decent people of all creeds all over the world were shocked.

    One can only view those who instigated ‘212’ as intolerant sectarian extremists who should be excluded from any role in respectable public life, held at arms-length by responsible public figures.

    But today?

    Gymnastiar was preaching, not in any back-street zealot hang-out but in Jakarta’s grandest mosque, the Istiqlal, the splendid edifice to which visiting foreign leaders are taken by government high-ups..

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    …and where on this highest of Islamic holy days the congregants included both Jakarta’s Governor and Indonesia’s Vice-President Jusuf Kalla.

    How do preachers at the Istiqlal get selected?

    No idea. I imagine there’s a management committee, with some degree of autonomy, which is nevertheless sensitive to what and whom is acceptable in today’s Indonesia.

    You’d think anyone associated with ‘212’ would be a definite ‘no-no.’ You’d hope that anyone advocating prison for the bizarre ‘offence’ of ‘blasphemy’ would be kept well away from the pulpit.

    But you’d be SO WRONG!

    And here’s the sting in the tail!

    That same Gymnastiar’s name-

    was included on the Religious Affairs Ministry’s list of 200 Islamic preachers that are deemed moderate, which was issued last month.”

    And that, to those of us who love Indonesia and think religious liberty needs to be defended against Islamist intolerance, is a very depressing statement to ponder as the Idul Fitri festivities go on across the archipelago.

     
    • Thomas Wells 01:36 on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      It sounds that Indonesia has changed greatly from the years when I lived in Jakarta and other cities.
      It sounds also that the changes are not so great for people who like freedom of religion and of expression.
      That is sad news. It was my experience that religion was not a cause of friction, in general.
      I hope it will not get to be a more hostile environment for freedom. However all that I read, and not only written by you, makes me pessimistic.
      Enjoy its sunshine while you still may.

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    • Herli 12:38 on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      My mom was big fan til he took his extra wife. She always said his first wife was nice lady, why he so much need more.
      I did not know he was 212 fantaik. Now I also not like him.

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    • Wati 15:03 on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      We were all so dissapointed in him when he doubled his wives.
      He is again dissapointing us with this that you tell us and it is very strange the government can call him moderate.
      I hope you having nice holiday like I am in my family home.

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  • ross1948 08:40 on March 16, 2018 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , Asma Dewi, bampot, , , insulting the government, Jakarta Governor Ahok, koplak ( stupid) and edun (crazy), otak udang, , wally   

    Brits May Still Call Amber Rudd ‘Koplak’ And ‘Edun!’ 


    As Theresa May ponders outlawing free expression in Britain…

    Hands Off RT! Somebody Should Start A Petition!

    …there’s been an astonishing verdict in Jakarta this week, some woman called Asma Dewi sentenced to prison for using the words koplak ( stupid) and edun (crazy) to criticize the government on Facebook.”

    As a rule, I find Indonesian ladies  delightful, but from what I know of this woman, I doubt very much if I’d enjoy her company, nor she mine.

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    She was reported to be the treasurer of the Tamasya Al-Maidah Islamic group that had encouraged massive anti-Ahok protests.   http://indonesiaexpat.biz/other/scams-in-the-city/manufacturing-hatred/

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    Ahok was a rather good Jakarta governor and was and still is a very good man, and I was horrified when he went to prison for ‘blasphemy.’

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    Slouching Towards Shariah, Indonesia Jails Ahok

    However, I’ve been in Indonesia for near enough 20 years and never heard the word ‘edun‘ though koplak (usually pronounced ‘goblok’ ) is a common enough insult.

    I prefer the more colourful term otak udang ( literally ‘prawn brain…’Hasil gambar untuk prawn

    ….a reference to the alleged anatomical location of the sea-creature’s brain, on or about its rear end!) as a put-down.

    But I’m a polite chap and try not to insult the people whose country I live in.

    Asma Dewi was given ‘time-served’ but she had languished in custody for over five months; so she’s out.

    However, one of the judges reportedly scolded her thus – ‘both words were not in the Indonesian official dictionary…

    So had she selected more formal insults, would she have been acquitted?

    Apparently not, under Article 207 of the Criminal Code (KUHP) for insulting those in power or legal institutions.   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/03/15/asma-dewi-sentenced-to-jail-for-using-swear-words-to-criticize-government.html

    However strange we Western folk find some aspects of the Indonesian Legal Code- and I’m thinking of that ‘Blasphemy Law’ as much as Article 207 – there’s not a lot we can do about it.

    Yet imagine if governments in the West were similarly shielded from unflattering comments!

    And in particular to SLANG insults!

    We’d find ourselves lectured by judges for describing Amber Rudd as a bampot or a wally.

    Mind you, such denigration of her intelligence pales in comparison to what most Brits said after she let all those burly so-called ‘child migrants’ in from Calais…

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    …despite their appearance suggesting they were old enough to serve in the armed forces!


     Brits should make the most of their freedoms, before they too find themselves behind bars for slang!

     
    • Andita 13:31 on March 16, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      So sad to think that she is out while Ahok is still in.
      Many Indonesian people think like you that he is in there for no good reason.
      Same like many other people who see nothing wrong to criticise any religion. or get mean treatment for only practising own worship.in own mosque like Ahmadiyah.
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    • Santi 14:01 on March 16, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you Ross, I always say thanks when you go back to write about Indonesia.

      It is crime to insult even people who deserve insult here and I do envy the British who can call the woman Amber Rudd stupid when she cannot see that these men are not children.

      Interesting story for me because I never know of it before.

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  • ross1948 09:38 on April 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , , Jakarta Governor Ahok, , shariah cops, Tebet mosque   

    Jakarta Election – The Ugly Face of Islamist Intolerance! 


    Just days now till Jakarta elects its governor, and the Christian incumbent, Ahok, is said to have done well in the last televised debate, which I didn’t see.

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    But his Muslim running mate, Djarot, did not have much fun on Friday.

    Djarot Expelled from Mosque after Friday Prayer

    The report in Tempo concerns his attendance at Al-Atiq Mosque in Tebet, which is just a little east of downtown Jakarta.

    I once had lunch at a cheap eatery in Tebet railway station and was received in kindly manner by all around me.

    So there’s no reason to think that the average resident is a hateful bigot, like the fanatic creep who, on Friday, got hold of a loud-speaker and called on the crowd not to vote for a non-Muslim leader in the Jakarta Gubernatorial Election. When Djarot was about to leave the mosque, people shouted and told him to leave.

    https://en.tempo.co/read/news/2017/04/14/057866116/Djarot-Expelled-from-Mosque-after-Friday-Prayer

    Having said most Tebet folk are not Islamist ignoramuses, it’s fair to remind everyone that some of them are just that!

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    And some of them have a long-standing grudge against Ahok.

    They won’t have forgotten that, two years ago, the Jakarta Governor took a vocal stand against bigot brutes who harassed the inoffensive minority Ahmadi congregation there, shutting down their house of worship.

    Jakarta This Week – Blameless Minority Creed Hounded Again! 

    Djarot apparently took the display of sectarian intolerance calmly, though he argues that every Muslim has the right to conduct Friday prayer at any mosque….

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    Djarot previously felt that the mass at the mosque welcomed him. People even asked him for a handshake and selfie.

    However, the situation changed when a caretaker of the mosque called on people not to vote for a non-Muslim leader.

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    • “I had no problem with the people. It was the caretaker who started provoking them.”

    • The election takes place on Wednesday.

    • Ahok’s opponent, Anies Baswedan, has shown no reluctance about seeking the approval of the most extreme elements in the land.

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    • Anies Wins an adoring smile from ferocious fanatic Habib Rizieq, who thinks the Christian Governor Ahok should be slain for mere words.“We encourage the government to process the death penalty for Ahok as soon as possible,” said Rizieq.  http://www.suara.com/news/2016/10/14/134313/

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    • If Anies wins, a lot of us foreigners who have lived here for years are wondering how long before we are left with little choice but to leave.  

    • Not me!

    • How could I abandon all my Indonesian friends to face the joys of ‘shariah nightlife!’  

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    • It was Anies’ running-mate, Sandiaga Uno, who revealed in January that he envisioned a sharia-inspired nightlife entertainment network in Jakarta. Contemplating a sharia-influenced capital

    • But Jakarta won’t be as much fun as it used to be! 

     

     

     
    • Silvawati 07:47 on April 17, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Please continue to tell of Indonesia
      Please tell also that we are trying to stop the Arabization.
      You tell truth, goverment tell everyone they are all for pluralism.
      We know they do not care.

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  • ross1948 00:58 on April 14, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , Jakarta Governor Ahok,   

    Hire More Typists, Pak? Jakarta ‘Justice’ Delayed! 


    Prosecutors postponed the reading of the sentence demand against Jakarta Governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama until April 20, a day after the runoff, saying they have not yet finished typing the demand.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/04/11/prosecutors-postpone-reading-of-sentence-demand-against-ahok.html

    No point railing about this again.

    We did so last week.

    Jakarta’s Bizarre ‘Blasphemy’ Trial – Frozen Till AFTER Votes Counted? 

    “We’ve tried our best but one week is not enough for us to make the demand. We apologize that we can’t read out the sentence demand today,” prosecutor Ali Mukartono said during a hearing Tuesday. 

    So is it a shortage of typists, really and truly, that prevents them getting on with this outlandish trial?

    The presiding judge Dwiarso Budi Santiarto then offered the prosecutors to read their demand on April 17.

    Ignore the Jakarta Post’s lousy grammar. It’s the judge’s perfectly reasonable request that matters.

    Ali responded to the judges’ suggestion by asking them to consider the Jakarta Police chief’s letter to the North Jakarta district court dated April 4 that suggested that the court postpone the hearing until the Jakarta gubernatorial election on April 19 due to security reasons. 

    SO?

    If it’s all just playing politics, why drag in their inability to collect enough competent typists?

    The so-called ‘security’ reasons are in fact a concern that more Islamist mob disorder might erupt. And that is entirely possible.

    Breaking News – Jakarta Cops Tear-Gas Islamist Louts! 

    But the response should surely not be to juggle the trial time-table.

    Better by far to equip the police with plentiful and effective weaponry…

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    …and give them carte blanche to take whatever steps might be required to disperse savage fanatics. 

     
    • JazPen 17:45 on April 14, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Can’t get it typed?
      Do these courtiers expect us to take them seriously?

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