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  • ross1948 12:44 am on August 14, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Chinese statue, , , Jokowi Islamist intolerance, , ,   

    Indonesia’s Intolerants Find New Excuse To Whine! 


     Good news, mostly, for decent Indonesians, whose government has urged officials to stand up to mob pressure…

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    …after Muslim and nationalist protesters called for a 30-meter-tall statue of a Chinese deity erected in a temple complex in an East Java town to be torn down.

    This is refreshing, coming at a time when bigoted Islamists have been riding high after Jakarta’s Christian Governor Ahok was imprisoned for ‘blasphemy’ merely for quoting a Koranic verse.

    So Has Indonesia Come To This? Paradise Lost? 

    The statue of Guan Yu in Tuban, East Java, is said to be Southeast Asia’s tallest such representation of the deity. 

    Bigoted ‘protestors,’ some wearing paramilitary-style outfits have been ranting that “We are not worshippers of idols”.

    So?

    • Does anyone wish to make them ‘worship idols?’

    Obviously not.

    But of course they know that full well, just as we know that the real reason for their ranting is nasty sectarian hatred.

    We’ve seen it before, in another Indonesian city, Tanjung Balai, in Sumatra, very far away from East Java.

    Indonesia Inquisition Ministry Turns Guns Against Buddhists –Statue Downed at Islamist Behest 

    The enemies of religious liberty there were equally up in arms about this statue…

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    And that episode did not end well for the decent people in that neighbourhood.

    It’s important, however, to note that there was another President then ruling from the National Palace in Jakarta.

    So well said, Teten Masduki, chief of staff to President Jokowi, who spoke to the media last week.

    “If they ask for the statue to be torn down, authorities cannot bow to such pressure.”

     http://jakartaglobe.id/news/statue-chinese-god-stokes-tension-muslim-majority-indonesia/.

    Unfortunately, the Jakarta Globe fails to identify the sponsors of the intolerant rallies. A previous mealy-mouthed report would only say they were from ‘certain groups,’ a meaningless phrase but common enough here.

    So let’s have them named and shamed!

    Equally, unfortunately, the Tuban statue is currently shown in the media photo as partially covered, appeasement of the ignoramuses, it seems.

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    President Jokowi would win widespread approval if he ordered his National Police Chief to get that fanatic shroud hauled down, and instal some well-armed cops around the scene, with orders to get stuck into any jihadist jerks who stick their bigot snouts in.

     
  • ross1948 8:49 am on August 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Angela Jelita, , , , Jokowi Islamist intolerance   

    Women Fight ‘Scholar’-Blessed FGM In Indonesia! 


    An excellent article in the usually very readable Indonesia Expat magazine this week…

    http://indonesiaexpat.biz/featured/knife-female-genitalia-mutilation-causes-long-term-psychological-effects-indonesian-women/

     

    An interesting magazine, not only because of the beauties often featured

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    …reminding us of the baneful influence of the MUI, the Indonesian Council of ‘Scholars,’ who are subsidised by the state and issue fatwas about all sorts of issues, some of which cause amusement, like that against yoga, but others genuinely alarming.

    We’ve had to report on their intolerant outbursts too many times.

     Bali Hindu King – Don’t Kill Our Cows! Muslim ‘Scholars’ – Get Lost!!  

     Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    Much of the misery inflicted on the utterly inoffensive Ahmadi creed arose after the MUI diktat branding them heretics.

    “Mohon Ma’af?” Blasphemous Brutes Vandalise Depok Mosque! 

    The ‘scholars’ express views that often echo the most appalling aspects of backward Islamist ‘thinking.’

    We’ve often covered one example of that…

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    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said. 
     http://www.suarapembaruan.com/home/mui-dukung-pelaku-kumpul-kebo-dipidanakan/32705

    • What’s remarkable, too, is that, despite President Jokowi’s campaign slogans calling for a ‘Mental Revolution’ across the archipelago, his government has not yet heeded women’s demands ban this abhorrent mutilation.

    • As Angela explains –

    • In 2006 the government tried to ban the practice, a move that proved unsuccessful and was lifted.

    • That was during the term of Jokowi’s predecessor, SBY, whose presidency also saw religious discrimination made state policy with the Tri-Ministerial Decree.

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    • The Ahmadis have long been persecuted in the country, with the government issuing a joint ministerial decree banning their activities in 2008.  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/06/24/ahmadiyah-mosque-in-depok-vandalized-ahead-of-idul-fitri.html

    • That has never yet been revoked.

    • So will the President do the right thing and outlaw FGM?

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    • I wonder.

     
    • Wahyu 1:20 pm on August 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I think this Angela is very good with what she writes, and you too.
      MUI always so much think like Arabs thinking and not like we in Indonesia thinking.
      I wish Jokowi will make reform but I do not expect it.

    • Santi 2:03 pm on August 3, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I agree that MUI is not what Indonesia need and FGM is cruel and crazy thing to do to girls. So bad and backward.
      You maybe getting crazy too Ross if you think this president will change anything that MUI will not agree.

  • ross1948 8:00 am on June 28, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    President Wins ‘Praise’ For Sitting Down With Fanatics? 


    Did everyone in Indonesia ‘praise’ President Jokowi for meeting the most intolerant Islamists in the archipelago?

    I doubt it, but the sycophantic headline in the Jakarta Post…

    Jokowi praised for meeting with opposition Muslim organization during Idul Fitri

    …might lead readers to think so.

    In fact, what appeared under that headline included only one voice of ‘praise,’ and that was from his very own fan-club, the ‘President’s Volunteer Forum (Bara JP)’  

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    Others may take a different view from that expressed by Sihol Manullang. For the JP to describe those Jokowi met as an ‘opposition’ movement is somewhat gilding the lily.

    One can oppose some or all of the President’s polices but the  the ‘Muslim orgainsation’ referred to is none other than that inveterate enemy of free speech, the National Movement to Safeguard the Indonesian Ulema Council’s Fatwa (GNPF-MUI),

    Indeed, the JP correctly reminds us of that gang’s role as the mastermind of a string of mass rallies protesting the leadership of former Jakarta governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama, using his backgrounds as a Christian of Chinese descent as one of its objections.

    Those hate-demos were a blight on the face of Indonesia’s image as a pluralist country once famous for its tolerance and commitment to religious liberty.

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    Barbaric Islamists in Jakarta, burning Ahok in effigy


     

    Ahok, now imprisoned for ‘blasphemy’  – seriously, in the 21st century!

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    The protesters, most of whom were men dressed in white Muslim attire, were heard yelling, “We want a Muslim governor,” “Burn Ahok!” and “Kafir!”   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/10/14/thousands-hard-liners-march-against-ahok.htm

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    The photo of the meeting in the JP does not include one of the GNPF-MUI’s most infamous notables, Habib Rizieq, the ‘grand imam’ of the white-shirt vigilante gang that calls itself the FPI, the Islam Defenders Front.

    But Rizieq’s absence is no indication that the fanatics who did attend the chummy chat with Jokowi omitted the ‘grand imam’ from their delegation out of choice.

    Fact is, Rizieq is not ANYWHERE in Indonesia at the moment.

    Police Add FPI Leader Rizieq Shihab to Most Wanted List

    But individuals. albeit fascinatiing, are secondary.

    The President’s guests, and the MUI itself, represent the most extreme sectarian elements in this country.

    Many MUI ‘fatwas’ have long been either a matter for jest, like their anti-yoga decree, or examples of quite terrifying hostility to religious liberty, such as that notorious anti-Ahmadiyah diktat. Since that edict was issued, the totally peaceful and  inoffensive Ahmadi minority has gone through hell.

    Even during the recent ‘holy month,’ we had to read about monstrous anti-Ahmadi hate-crimes..

    “Mohon Ma’af?” Blasphemous Brutes Vandalise Depok Mosque! 

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    We have over the past few years had to report on to all kinds of offensive stuff from MUI leaders.

     Bali Hindu King – Don’t Kill Our Cows! Muslim ‘Scholars’ – Get Lost!!  

     Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

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    If you wish to know more about the MUI, insert the three letters into my search box, or again, here are a few familiar choice samples of MUI thinking..

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    • ma'arruf amin

    • Ma’aruf
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    MUI’s Deputy Chair, Ma’aruf, who kindly advised everyone that FGM is a ‘human right!’  

     https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/clitoral-clip-no-scraping-suffices-tell-us-islamist-scholars-why-do-it/

    And this enlightened gent… 

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    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said.
     http://www.suarapembaruan.com/home/mui-dukung-pelaku-kumpul-kebo-dipidanakan/32705

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    • Why anyone, let alone a pluralist head of state, would give them house-room, is itself very disturbing.  

     
  • ross1948 12:02 am on June 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Happy Pancasila Day – Is ‘Brotherhood’ Worth A Hundred Yard Walk? 


    It’s Pancasila Day, a new public holiday in Indonesia, declared by President Jokowi to promote the pluralist vision of the nation’s founding fathers, who had no time for the Islamist bigotry which is increasingly blighting this lovely country.

    The national ideology is all about unity in diversity, and although I myself have no work to go to, being happily retired from the daily routine, I shall enjoy the relaxation thus mandated.

    Pak Presiden wants everyone to feel as if they are ‘brothers’ and we might assume he agrees with his son, Kaeseng, who’s reported in the Jakarta Post to have published these admirable sentiments.

    “We need to work together to build a better Indonesia, not by slandering each other or claiming others as infidels. Moreover, there was campaign to not provide proper burial rites to Muslims on the basis of voting preferences, how did that come about?”http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/29/kaesang-criticizes-viral-video-of-children-chanting-hate-speech-calls-for-tolerance.html

    Wonderful words, but how about deeds?

    How about some Sunday morning, this Ramadhan month, Jokowi emerges from his palace downtown and walks a hundred yards across the road…

    With Jokowi’s Palace in the background, the victims of Islamist evil proclaim their faith

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    Oppressed Christians In The Street Heat, In Pluralist Indonesia 

    X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’ 

    …to where his persecuted Christian brothers and sisters are forced to worship by the roadside because intolerant Islamists have sealed their churches in West Java.

    “We are Indonesia, we live in diversity,” says Kaeseng.

    It would be a fine reaffirmation of that principle if his illustrious Dad joined the victims of sectarianism…

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    …and ordered his National Police Chief to enforce the Supreme Court ruling that the GKI Yasmin congregants have every right to access their church and use it to practise the religious liberty that Indonesia’s Constitution affords them.

     
    • Sleman.tiro 6:46 am on June 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Good and so many people here think same.

    • Fitri 8:15 am on June 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I think you have a good idea for the President.
      If he will go to the Yasmin church peoples worship service he will show everyone he care for freedom of religion

    • Irwan 10:10 am on June 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Very good.
      I agree every Indonesian should be free to worship.

    • Wulandari 4:40 pm on June 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      A good idea and I hope he will take the walk to join them.
      They are our brother and sister because they are Indonesian same like we are.
      Happy Pancasila Day to you too, Ross

  • ross1948 11:30 am on May 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Ascension Day In Jakarta, As Satanic Evil Strikes Kampung Melayu! 


    Awoke to news of sectarian savagery AGAIN today, not far away in an English city this time, but right here in my adopted home-town of Jakarta.

     Islamic State link hits Jakarta

    “This could be part of a global effort to spread fear and terror,” said an Indonesian Police spokesman.

    All my overseas readers can find details in their local media.  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/jakarta-suicide-bomb-kills-policeman-wounds-at-least-five/news-story

    It wasn’t that long ago that I traveled through Kampung Melayu, the big bus junction hit by the scum some hours ago, so these atrocities can induce personal intimations of mortality.

    I present you with a popular pictorial slogan here…

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    …but while I endorse the exhortation for anyone celebrating Ascension to pray for the dead and wounded today, it is arguably not accurate, because the beasts who claimed more innocent lives yesterday…

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     – Christ’s Ascension Day – Islamist Savages Pelt Congregation With Sewage, Urine and Rocks 

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    Hizbut Ban -Will Jokowi Put Canberra To Shame? 

    UK’s Jakarta Rep Frantic to Save Terrorist Skins -A Neo-Colonialist Par Excellence! 

    Bravo Densus 88 – Three Down, But LOTS More To Go! 

     

     

     

     
    • Santi 11:56 am on May 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Thankyou, Ross, I do not always read the blog on my holiday but today I think you will speak well and you never dissapoint.
      All my friend Muslim and Christian will be thinking same like you about the satan link.
      It is good if President Jokowi will kill all the terorists.
      Pray for Jakarta

    • Wiwik 12:33 pm on May 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I am muslima woman and I want to agree the terror in Jakarta was not my religion, It was what you say by Devils who kill muslim people.
      I beleive Devils now in Hell.
      Many people call them that and are so angry when they lie and say they are muslim. It was same in Sarinah and in Cikeusik that you write also about. All muslim I know want the Devils to get death punishment.
      If we want to be free country we need to hunt them all over our country Indonesia and yes it is true also that the Densus88 do good work.
      Thanks to you.

    • JazPen 9:06 pm on May 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      We all know Muslims here in Indonesia who would never have anything to do with Islamists, and its not just our friends and oolleagues, its all the million plus plus who voted for Ahok, Not enough minority religions to have turned out so many votes against the Islamists.
      Now all those people see Ahok in prison and asking themselves if theyre next for saying anything that upsets the jihadists.
      I see the National Police Chief Tito still hasnt apologised for calling the FPI tolerant. That is worrying..If the top cop wont or cant see the truth when its there in front of his nose, who is going to enforce the law.
      Pessimist outlook, rainy season coming?

  • ross1948 11:16 pm on April 20, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , Jokowi Islamist intolerance, , , VP USA   

    Mike Pence And His Nelson’s Eye – Never Saw Islamists’ Victims! 


    I didn’t get a chance to meet up with Mike Pence today, but I just read what he has been saying.

    “Indonesia’s tradition of moderate Islam frankly is an inspiration to the world and we commend you and your people. In your nation as in mine, religion unifies, it doesn’t divide.” http://www.independent.ie/world-news/mike-pence-praises-indonesias-tolerant-values-on-visit-to-jakarta-mosque-35638468.html


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    I wish he had had his talks with President Jokowi not today but last Sunday.

    If he’d been having lunch in the State Palace in Jakarta then, he might have looked out the window and seen the people I was standing beside.

    Oppressed Christians In The Street Heat, In Pluralist Indonesia 

    Then he might have made somewhat different comments than those reported in today’s media.

    From all accounts, the US Vice-President is a serious Christian and he could have asked his distinguished why those fellow-Christians had to hold their Easter Sunday Service on the street.

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    Persecuted Protestants with Jokowi’s Palace in the background

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    President Jokowi, being an honest man, would have had to reply that they are prevented from using their own church by vile Islamist bigots.

    X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’ 

    He might even have told his guest that Indonesia’s Supreme Court found in favour of the persecuted Christians, but that Indonesia’s Government has failed to enforce the ruling.

    All very sad, that VP Pence missed the chance to talk with some of the many victims of savage sectarian intolerance.

     
  • ross1948 9:27 pm on February 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Another Triumph For Islamist Bigotry In Indonesia! 


    Sad to see another triumph of intolerance in Indonesia, with Islamists gloating over the suppression of religious liberty in Depok.

    As we predicted yesterday – West Java – Depok’s Damnable Dreary Bigotry, Again!  – a mob of bigots descended on the Ahmadiyah mosque,as the peaceful minority was about to carry out their Friday prayers at the mosque, on Friday (24/2) afternoon.

    Bit of a waste of time, because  the equally bigoted City Government of Depok had already sealed the innocent dissenters’ house of worship.

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    “There have been no reports of resistance at Ahmadiyah mosques when we sealed the place again,” he told local media on site. ‘However,’ he added, “if the seal was to be removed, there would be strict sanctions.”-Local cop, quoted in http://timesofahmad.blogspot.com.au/2017/02/indonesia-ahmadiyya-mosque-in-sawangan.html

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    Depok’s record of intolerance is quite spectacular – if you want a laugh, read this one from a few years back.–Islamist Bigot Biter Bit in West Java  

     Among the sectarian mob this weekend was Abdullah Shafi, local Muhammadiyah notable.

    Massa Ormas Protes Masjid Ahmadiyah di Depok

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    • That pretty well finishes off any pretensions by Muhammadiyah to be a voice for ‘moderate’ Muslims. 
    • Shafi evidently felt no shame at all in keeping company with the notorious IslamoNazi FPI…

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    IslamoNazi white-shirts at Depok

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    ….and the notorious FBR.

    There’s a few past posts about the FBR, which you can find via our ‘search’ box, just across to your right, but to facilitate your inspection of their bona fides…

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    Right On, Ratna! Activist’s All-Out Attack on IslamoNazis 

    …try that one!

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    Seems there were leaflets circulating among the rabble that essentially rejected the existence of Ahmadiyah and described it as a cult.

    Just to emphasise how infantile and vindictive they could be, the mob also asked Depok City Government to cut off electricity to the Ahmadiyya and urgently remove the contents from the Secretariat of the Ahmadiyah.

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    • Since nobody in the Presidential Palace seems to have recalled President Jokowi’s previous call for minorities, in Depok or anywhere in Indonesia to be left unharassed – . Jokowi Urges Cops To Protect Minorities – in Depok – I’ll quote at length what the Ahmadis have said in response.
    • “Masjid Al-Hidayah has been established since 1999, is open to the public and already has a building permit (IMB) as a place of worship and our home since 2007.” 
    • Mubarak claimed that Ahmadiyah has been actively involved in social activities…staying in touch with leaders and scholars in Sawangan and has never violated any law.
    • “Forced Closure of mosques by the municipal government that bases itself on SKB 3 minister and derivatives to Perwali Depok on Ahmadiyah is not based on the correct rules..”
    • For new readers, that SKB# is the infamous and grotesquely discriminatory Tri-Ministerial Decree – .  http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/04/indonesia-uphold-religious-freedom 
    • – an intolerant sectarian diktat issued under former President SBY…
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    • SBY…yes, he’s the man who wants a worldwide ‘blasphemy law!’
    • SBY to ask the world to ban blasphemy | The Jakarta Post
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    • “We deplore the attitude of Depok City Government, as discriminatory and does not carry out its duty to protect its citizens to practice their religion…the right to association and assembly are guaranteed by the state through the constitution…”
    • Ahamdiyah also asked for assertiveness from the President, through the Minister of Internal Affairs, to ensure the Depok City Government does not preclude the right to worship and assemble…
    • Ahmadis also ask police officers to ensure security and the activities of worship that group.
     
    • JazPen 9:51 am on February 26, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Its bad when there are so many really ‘moderate’ (sane) Muslims here in Indonesia but so few organisations that represent them.
      Muhammadiyah dont qualify and after that Gandaria City squall a few years ago, NU doesn’t have much credibility either.
      I think we have seen the best days of Indonesia unless Jokowi starts acting instead of just talking about pluralism..

  • ross1948 10:36 am on December 11, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Bandung fanatic hoodlums, , , , , , Jokowi Islamist intolerance, , , President Joachim Gauck, ,   

    Hoffentlich, Herr Gauck Learned Lots From Jokowi! 


    Just heading out to meet somebody for lunch, but have been persuing the news, much of which I missed in recent days, due to a crowded partying schedule.

    So President Jokowi had a meeting with his German counterpart Joachim Gauck in Jakarta last week?

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    Whilst we must weigh Jokowi’s words about how Indonesia is an example of how Islam, democracy and tolerance could go hand in hand. against his actions, or inactions – the government’s refusal to enforce the Supreme Court ruling on the right of West Java’s Christians to worship unmolested in their own churches….

    X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’ 

    ….and Jokowi’s failure to repeal the infamous Tri-Ministerial Decree that grotesquely discriminates against the Ahmadis, I still believe he is personally tolerant.

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    But alas, there is shocking intolerance, notably expressed recently in Bandung, where a Christian pre-Christmas service was broken up by IslamoNazi hoodlums –http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/12/10/christians-in-indonesia-refuse-to-give-in-to-fear.html

    – and not that long ago in Jakarta itself…

    Grovelling Gramedia’s BookBurning Bonanza – Appeasing Fanatics 

    • burning booksGramedia’s Hitlerite book-burning

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    ….when a major publishing company, Gramedia, enthusiastically joined in a Hitlerian bookburning staged by Islamist fanatics.

    But since we’re told the chat encompassed democracy too, Jokowi may have had something to teach Herr Gauck, on that subject – because they also discussed the issue of the death penalty… 

    While rape and murder at the hands of undesirable aliens has been hitting the headlines in Germany this year –Police Chief Blames Merkel Migrant Policy for Teenage Girl Murder – Mama Stasi’s Government has ignored one obvious step to take to deal with such atrocities.

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    On capital punishment, she is morally obliged at least to give German voters a referendum on the subject.

    Jokowi’s determination to retain the death penalty is safely anchored in the overwhelmingly support for proper punishments among Indonesians of walks of life, except perhaps some media creeps and ‘intellectuals.’

    It’s just a pity he doesn’t use it more often, on terrorists…

    In Indonesia – Time To Re-Start Terrorist Executions! 

    …instead of narrowly focusing on drug crime. 

    Who knows, the German visitor may have gone home with fresh insights into how democracy works. At the moment, it’s not working very well in Germany. 


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    In his statement, President Gauck said Jokowi was a progressive President who had moved Indonesia’s politics and economy forward.  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/04/19/jokowi-meets-with-german-president-discusses-death-penalty.html

     
    • Max G 10:19 pm on December 11, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      You make a logical case, Ross, if Jokowi wants to shoot the drug-smugglers, why not also shoot the terrorists

      The problem seems to be that he likes to keep in with those very unpleasant gents in the MUI and after we saw him bowing to Mr. Rizieq at Monas, you can’t honestly tell us that our esteemed president is about to do anything to upset the religious extremists here.

    • JazPen 12:16 am on December 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Still shaming Gramedia I see, Ross and good on you for doing that.
      I try never to use their stores because every time i see their adverts i think of Nazi book burners and that’s thanks to your blog. I hope your reminders affect a lot of people the same way because Gramedia deserve it,

    • Astuti 2:38 pm on December 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Long weekend in my province with no internet so I only now read this and I agree so much.
      It is sad that Jokowi is not to stand up for religious freedom like we were thinking he was.
      The Gramedia story I did hear before and will be happy to forgive if they say sorry but they never apologize so I will not do shopping there anymore.
      Gramedia bosses do not understand Indonesia Pancasila.
      Also I agree that terorist should die. They all same like ISIS only hate other people so we must send them fast to God but punish them here first to get them to God fast..

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