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  • ross1948 11:00 am on December 27, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , conditional religious liberty, , , , Jokowi, , ,   

    So In West Java, Religious Liberty Is Now Conditional? 


    A few days ago we looked at the victims of sectarian injustice here in Indonesia, not all of them, by any means, but two congregations often covered in our blog, GKI Yasmin and HKBP Filadelfia.

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    Barred by brutal ignoramuses in Bogor and evil savages in Bekasi, two cities in the Province of West Java…

    Christ’s Ascension Day – Islamist Savages Pelt Congregation With Sewage, Urine and Rocks 

    Head-Scarfed Harpies Hurl Dung and Urine at Christians 

    X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’ 

    …from their churches, they have worshipped on the street in Jakarta, across the road from the State Palace, in searing heat some days, in bucketing rain on others….

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    The GKI people took their case all the way to the Supreme Court – and won!

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    But President Jokowi hasn’t ordered his police to enforce that judicial decree, so the oppression goes on.

    Incidentally, a seat is always left reserved for the President on that pavement, by Christians who have heard his frequent boasts of Indonesia’s pluralism.

    I have attended the services from time to time but Jokowi has never yet strolled the hundred yards from his palace to recognise their respectful loyalty.

    Now, however, headlines in local media suggest light at the end of the tunnel of the torment.

    Bima Arya And GKI Yasmin Agree to Build a Mosque next to the Church 

    Bima Arya is Mayor of Bogor, touted as a ‘moderate’ when he replaced a rabid Islamist a couple of years ago, and many (me too!) innocently assumed he’d do the decent thing and remedy the injustices.

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    Bima Arya

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    But instead he declined to act, and – as in our linked story above – ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’  – he even stooped to denying the congregation’s existence, despite the fact we could all see them suffer on the street every second Sunday.

    That first Christmas after Bima took over, his local goon-squad –  aka ‘civic militia,’ the SatPol PP –  showed their true colours, as one Christian on the scene reported – “We were pushed, cursed with foul language, and threatened,” he said. http://www.tempo.co/read/news/2014/12/25/214630883/Natal-Jemaat-GKI-Yasmin-Diganggu-Satpol-PP

    Yet suddenly that mean mayor’s agreeing with his goons’ erstwhile victims, and freedom of religion may be restored in his benighted city?

    I’ll believe it when I see it!

    And even were it to come to pass, according to the report this week, it would be CONDITIONAL liberty  –


    http://nusantara.rmol.co/read/2017/12/25/319646/Bima-Arya-Dan-GKI-Yasmin-Setuju-Bangun-Masjid-Bersebelahan-Gereja-

    –  the congregation’s clear constitutional right to use their own church only tolerated if a mosque is constructed next door.

    What a mockery!

    As to HKBP, no news at all.

    But that’s what I have long expected from Bekasi, a place infamous for its intolerance.

    Hasil gambar untuk santa clara bekasi maret 2017

    Bekasi intellectuals articulate deep philosophical objections to religious liberty

    What Vexes Most – Sectarian Bullies, Jakarta Post or Bekasi Cops?

    Cops Stop West Java Worship, Appease Islamist Louts 

    Bekasi’s Islamist Regime – ‘We Won’t Allow Religious Liberty If Bigot Thugs Object!’ 

    West Java Police v Pastor – Death-Threat Victim Charged with ‘Assault’ on Islamist! 

    Bekasi Bigots V Religious Liberty, Again! 

    Christians Abused by Islamist Mob, Cops Fail to Enforce the Law 

    Islamists Lower Than Snakes’ Bellies – ‘Bury Your Own Dead If You Approve a Church!’ 

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    • Kezia 2:15 pm on December 27, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I am back to work again, Ross and I see you are still on holidays but still blogging.
      Busy but happy I think you are happy only when you are busy!
      It is very awful to be in Bekasi if you are in a minority religion. Bogor too,, with so many mosques so why need to build another beside the church.
      I better not to say what I think about that Mayor there..,

  • ross1948 6:56 am on September 23, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , Amien Rais, banning order, , Jokowi,   

    PKI Ban – A Good Precedent For HTI? 


    I see President Jokowi is talking about a remake of the famous film “Pengkhiatan G30S/PKI” about the attempted seizure of power by the PKI, the Indonesian Communist Party, in 1965.

    http://jakartaglobe.id/news/jokowi-wants-remake-controversial-suharto-era-movie/

    I have written about that episode before, more than once…

    …and rejoiced at the defeat of those foul reds, as do most Indonesians.

    Most people here recognise that communists everywhere are totalitarian hypocrites, waxing loud and eloquent about workers’ rights, then eager to stomp workers’  – and everyone else’s – rights, as soon as they get their hands on the levers of power.

    But I note that some has-beens, notably Amien Rais, here are ‘suspicious’ of the President’s motives.https://news.detik.com/berita/d-3653119/jokowi-ingin-film-g30spki-dibuat-gaya-milenial-amien-rais-curiga

    Rais, an Islamist fanatic from way back…

    When Laskar Jihad’s parent body Forum Kommunikasi Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah called a mass rally of Muslims at Jakarta’s Senayan Stadium in April 2000, the attendees included Amien Rais, leader of the Partai Amanat Nasional (National Mandate Party)  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-02-161013.html.

    If you don’t know what Laskar Jihad was, read our post-

    Ex Laskar Jihad Murder-Gang ‘Commander’ – “We Must Love War!” 

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     …seems to want to link the existing ban on the PKI with Jokowi’s putative ban on the califascist gang called Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia.

    It’s not clear what the old Islamist thinks about HTI, but if Jokowi has in mind drawing a parallel between the two organisations, the President’s certainly got a point.

    Like the Reds, the Hizbut hate-group is supranationalist, putting the idea of allegiance to a global caliphate above what should be every decent person’s first loyalty, to one’s own country.

    They also detest democracy, quite openly, as in this demo placard…

    Charlie Hebdo proves how rotten democracy is.

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    …so a ban seems entirely rational and consistent with the principle established when the PKI was banned.

    However, Jokowi has said he just wants the good old anti-communist movie revamped to suit younger viewers who might not otherwise relate to it.

    Fair enough.

    As long as the message, that communism is irredeemably evil, gets across, that’s what counts.

    More on this before the anniversary, 30th September, of the failed Red kudeta.

     
  • ross1948 12:39 am on August 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , Islamist cleric, , , Jokowi, ,   

    Sarinah Attack – Terror Convict, Freed Early, Faces Charges! 


    In December 2010, Aman was sentenced to nine years in prison for funding a militant training camp in Aceh, a case which involved dozens of militants.

    http://jakartaglobe.id/news/recidivist-convict-named-suspect-2016-sarinah-attack/

    OKAY?

    Got your junior high arithmetical skills assembled?

    Read on!

    In February 2005, he was sentenced to seven years in prison following explosions at his home in Depok, West Java. He was reportedly assembling bombs.

    NINE PLUS SEVEN= WHAT?

    I make it sixteen, so if he was jailed in 2005, he should have got out…FOUR YEARS from now?  Even if we skip the first 2005 sentence, if he got nine years in 2010, he ought still to be sitting in a cell somewhere, till 2019.

    Did I get my sums right?

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    Now we read of the third case against Aman Abdurrahman, who was released last Thursday after receiving remission to his nine-year jail term at a prison on Nusakambangan Island in Central Java…

    National Police spokesman Sr. Comr. Martinus Sitompul told the media this week that “he stands accused of inciting the Thamrin attack and of being a conduit for funding it.”

    We must now await the trial and the next sentence, if he’s found guilty.

    But there are surely questions to be asked about why this sectarian fanatic was given remission.  Did he do anything to earn it? Did he give police useful info? Did he even express remorse, or repentance?

    Maybe?

    No, none of the above.

    According to an earlier report in the JG, this ‘Islamist cleric’  ( yeah, ‘cleric!’) received a sentence remission on the occasion of the 72nd anniversary of Indonesia’s independence. 

    So to celebrate freedom, you unleash a bitter foe of every freedom people value?

    C’mon!

    This example does make me think, though, that if the death penalty…

    ….exalted by President Jokowi for drugs-related offences, were imposed for all terror-related crimes, this kind of question would not need to be asked.

     
    • Edward Lamont 5:36 pm on August 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Can’t complain Ross.
      Brussels won’t let us execute terrorists here.
      Even if they did, Theresa May hasn’t enough gumption to restore capital punishment.

  • ross1948 9:06 am on May 29, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , Gerakan Referendum Minahasa, , Jokowi, Minahasa, , Permesta, , ,   

    Indonesia’s Morning After – What’s MinahExit Mean? 


    A sudden flurry of reports about something we have frankly never heard of before, the Gerakan Referendum Minahasa.

    That’s the Minahasa Referendum  Movement.

    And Minahasa refers to the ethnic group, largely Christian by faith, and good soldiers by tradition, who live in North Sulawesi.

    That’s also where the admirable protest took place against the arrival of an Islamist fanatic not long ago.

    Manado Mayhem! Jakarta Post Flouts Its Own ‘Bold’ Motto? 

    But it wasn’t till very recently that this GMR movement hit the headlines.

    Again, it’s important to note the coincidence of its appearance with the shocking imprisonment of the Christian Governor of Jakarta on bizarre ‘blasphemy’ charges.

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    No coincidence at all, really, because the driving force behind bringing Ahok to trial was an Islamist fanatic cabal, IslamoNazi FPI leaders in cahoots with the self-styled ‘scholars’ of the MUI.

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    Indonesian Press Day,’ 9th Feb – Fake News? If Only! 

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    Ahok behind bars symbolises the growing power of intolerance – if you can’t utter a quote from the Koran in public without risking draconian punishment, how many Christians, or Hindus, or Buddhists, can be expected to feel at ease in a society which thus degrades pluralism.

    The thing people overseas need to remember is that while Indonesia may be the largest Muslim majority country in the world, it’s also home to significant minorities of non-Muslims.

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    Bali, for example, is a Hindu island, while large Christian communities flourish in Ambon, North Sulawesi,Kalimatan (Borneo) and Sumatra ,where there are tough Bataks and a large Chinese ethnic minority in Medan. There’s also the Catholic island of Flores.

    And even in Jakarta, up to 10% of the capital’s population may be Christian, Buddhist or other religions.

    Sensible Indonesian leaders have always understood this and so religious tolerance was always not simply a moral focus but a recognition of how to keep the country together. That common-sense approach existed from the start, through Sukarno’s personality cult regime and Suharto’s dictatorship.

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    General Suharto

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    Now, however, fanatics have become a major influence in Indonesian politics. We have seen examples aplenty in recent years, outrageous intolerance against Buddhists…

    Tanjung Balai’s Burning Temples – A History of Bigotry! 

    …Hindus… Bali Hindu King – Don’t Kill Our Cows! Muslim ‘Scholars’ – Get Lost!!  …

    ….and of course Christians. Oppressed Christians In The Street Heat, In Pluralist Indonesia 

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    Under President SBY a ferocious discriminatory diktat was issued, the anti-Ahmadiyah Tri-Ministerial Decree, and despite President Jokowi’s talk of pluralism, persecuted Christians in Bogor, Bekasi, etc have had no justice.

    X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’ 

    The imprisonment of Ahok for ‘blasphemy’ has confirmed for many people, not just religious minorities but decent Muslims, true Indonesian conservatives who cling to the traditional tolerance referred to above, that one day, in the not too distant future, they could rise from their beds to the waking nightmare of an Islamic Republic.

    If that were to happen, then separatism could, would, be a serious threat.

    Again, please note, Indonesia does not, like the UK, afford separatists all normal rights and privileges.

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    If some local equivalent of that ghastly Scots shrew Sturgeon started shrilling for ‘independence’ for any province or island, she’d be charged with treason, and if convicted, she’d have some real problems to whine about.

    In June 2007 in Ambon, these RMS political prisoners danced the Cakalele and raised the RMS flag in front of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono…

    RMS Political Prisoners Reunite With Families After 7-Year Wait

    Hardly surprising therefore that the local cops in Sulawesi were vigorously denying any sign of separatism, despite news photos clearly depicting referendum banners.

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    Hasil gambar untuk spanduk gerakan referendum minahasa

    http://news.metrotvnews.com/daerah/Rb1OZJ2K-kapolda-tak-ada-referendum-negara-minahasa

    http://www.tribunnews.com/regional/2017/05/15/jangan-biarkan-sulut-terpecah-belah-lmp-sulut-tolak-isu-referendum-minahasa

    But this ‘separatism,’ if separatism it is, is the inevitable consequence of Islamist intolerance. When decent folk of any religion see blood-thirsty fanatics treated as respectable notables by leading politicians, they recoil in disgust.

    But when that disgust is compounded by the realisation that their fundamnetal right to worship as they please is therefore under  threat, and when their form of worship corresponds to their local cultural heritage…?

    What else can the Government expect?

    I am no supporter of separatism. How the people of Indonesia arrange their affairs is up to them, and from 1945 they have generally been quite gifted in working out ways to live together.

    But I do hope, as somebody who has lived here happily for the best part of twenty years and has watched ever more sadly the rise of Islamist intolerance, that somebody in the corridors of power in Jakarta can, even at this eleventh hour, reverse the process of jihadist Arabisation.

    Viva Pancasila!

     

     
  • ross1948 12:27 am on May 14, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , , Jokowi,   

    Where’s ‘High Priest’ Rizieq? Pornography Case On Hold? 


    We have recently had to feature Habib Rizieq, acclaimed as ‘High Priest’ of the IslamoNazi FPI 9 self-styled “Islam Defenders’ Front”) quite often…

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    FPI demo in Jakarta

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    ….due to his blood-curdling demand that Jakarta Governor Ahok, currently imprisoned for – believe it or not, in this 21st Century! – ‘blasphemy,’ (yes, seriously!) be processed for execution.

    “We encourage the government to process the death penalty for Ahok as soon as possible,” said Rizieq.  http://www.suara.com/news/2016/10/14/134313/

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    Rizieq, far left, happily sharing the stage with President Jokowi at an anti-Ahok rally

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    Rizieq, with his rabid hero, Ba’asyir, who’s currently doing time for terror-links

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    Now we see he’s back in the headlines again.

    As a witness, Rizieq has twice evaded a police questioning for a pornography case allegedly involving him and a treason suspect, Firza Husein. 

    The police first summoned Rizieq, Firza, Rizieq’s wife and a friend of Firza’s as witnesses on April 25. However, none of them showed up…the police summoned Rizieq again on May 8 for questioning scheduled on May 10.

    Oh dear!

    So what do the Police have to say?

    Argo confirmed that Rizieq was still abroad, but refused to inform reporters about the latter’s exact whereabouts.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/12/police-to-detain-rizieq-for-evading-questioning-of-alleged-pornography-case.html

    REFUSED?

    Why won’t the cops reveal this mysterious absence?

    What’s the big secret?

    Where is he? 

     
    • Hoka 9:36 am on May 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Priest and porno?
      We want more information not less!

  • ross1948 9:17 pm on April 21, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , , Jokowi, , multi-faith meeting, , , U S Embassy   

    Mike Pence’s (Somewhat Limited?) ‘Multi-Faith’ Experience! 


    Most of the media mentioned how America’s VP Mike Pence happily joined in a ‘multi-faith’ gathering in Jakarta, after visiting the huge Istiqlal mosque.

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    Mike in the Mosque

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    The actual ‘faiths’ included in the ‘multi-faith’ meet-up don’t seem to be identified, at least in the media I’ve looked at.

    But I am led to wonder if Mr. Pence had a chance to talk to representatives of one particular faith, the peaceful and inoffensive Ahmadiyah.

    They have been subjected to systematic discrimination, not only by dastardly Islamist bigot brutes…

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    …but also by local governments around the country…

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    In Squalid Internal Exile, Lombok Ahmadis Denied Voting Rights 

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    …AND by the Tri-Ministerial Decree… – .  http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/04/indonesia-uphold-religious-freedom  …a notorious diktat issued by the Government of Indonesia under the previous President, SBY.

    Many of us expected, hoped at least, that when President Jokowi took over, he would annul the intolerant edict.

    He hasn’t.

    Did Mr. Pence’s Ambassador bring him up to speed with the persecution of these good citizens that began some years ago, reached a nadir at Cikeusik, when that mob of savages martyred three Ahmadis – nobody ever charged with murder – and continues today.

    Jakarta This Week – Blameless Minority Creed Hounded Again! 

    If Donald Trump’s V-P was properly informed on this shameful saga, one hopes he raised the issue at the ‘multi-faith’ meeting.

    If Mike Pence was unaware, it’s time to fire a few embassy flunkeys.

     

     

     
    • JazPen 10:48 pm on April 21, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Good, Ross,
      Its maybe late in the day but you are back to your good old form of defending Indonesia’s good people.
      I think deep down you know its too late but it still needs to be said.

  • ross1948 2:00 am on March 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , Cisuara, , Jokowi, , , Orner film,   

    Please Explain Why Oz Should Take Jokowi’s Surplus Aliens? 


    In between eating fish and chips and meat pies, masakan negara kangaru – ( Aussie cuisine )

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    I managed during my recent great break to spend time reading newspapers, including The Weekend Australian, 25/26.3.17, which covered President Jokowi’s visit to The Lucky Country.

    Interestingly, one of the issues Jokowi apparently raised with Malcolm Turnbull was that of boat-bludgers, or, more precisely,  ‘Indonesia’s standing request that Australia accept some of the 14,000 refugees it now hosts.

    Weird sentence, that! 

    For no clear reason, the Indonesian President thinks Oz ought to take some of the ‘asylum’ aliens currently parasiting in various parts of his archipelago?

    That‘s frankly inexplicable, because the wasters did not come to Indonesia from Australia but from places like Afghanistan, Myanmar, etc.

    Moreover, they are NOT ‘refugees’ in any sense of that much misused word, because they came through various reasonably ‘safe’ countries, Thailand, Malaysia etc., where they did not stop, so whatever these people want, it’s not a place of safety.

    They have stopped in Indonesia now, which is safe. 

    I live here. I know it’s safe, unless of course you are an Ahmadi Muslim and want to worship in peace.… 

    West Java – Depok’s Damnable Dreary Bigotry, Again! 

    But that’s another matter.

    Now if Jokowi doesn’t like having so many such leeches in his country…

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    President Jokowi

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    ….and he’s quite right not to like that! – there’s an easy solution.

    Deportation.

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    Ship ’em out.

    Why should Jokowi even mention Australia in the context of shifting the blighters?

    ONLY because, of course, the blighters really, really, really want to go there.

    They’re not seeking safety.

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    They just want to get their precious snouts into yummy OZ benefits.

    That blasted pro-crimmigrant propaganda film ( that Qantas is pushing on behalf of the Aussie far-left  Qantas’s In-Flight Pro-Crimmigrant Propaganda! ) actually focuses on some ‘asylum’ Afghans lining here in Indonesia.

    One of those interviewed in Cisuara, West Java, was more personable than some other ‘stars’ ( like that queer old pinko David Marr, who is on record as saying that rightwingers are not qualified to be journalists  = 

    He declared that the “natural culture of journalism” involves “a kind of vaguely soft-Left inquiry sceptical of authority…If they don’t come out of that world, they really can’t be reporters…”  Media Bias and the Federal Election — Quadrant Online

    or that Fairfax fellow Bachelard, whom we’ve stumbled on before Sylum Morning Herald Puts Knife into Navy  ) …

    But the Afghan was quite brazen about the fact that he just felt like moving to Oz, so he lashed out cash to smugglers. No suggestion he went to the Australian Embassy to apply for legal migration, taking his place in line among honourable wannabe migrants.

    Just queue-jump!

    SHEER BLOODY ARROGANCE!

    So if Jokowi wants these people here, okay.

    If he doesn’t, it’s simply a provocation to suggest that Australia should be lumbered with them. out with them

     
    • Bruce B 8:36 am on March 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      That’s a worry, because Turnbull has had to agree with Abbott’s boat policy but he can argue that if he makes a deal with Indonesia to bring illegals in by plane, he’s not breaking the promises the Coalition have made about keeping them out.

    • Niall Armstrong 6:08 pm on March 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      So you like our Aussie food, Ross?
      Good, and I bet it was bought and paid for, and you said thanks for it. More than the dross on Christmas Island or Manus or Nauru ever have done, digging into free rations and then causing millions of damage by way of appreciation.
      We don’t want any more so if you see Mr. Jokowi when you’re walking around Jakarta, please tell him so.
      Indonesia was dumb enough to let them in, so their Indonesia’s problem, not ours.

  • ross1948 9:51 pm on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    West Java – Depok’s Damnable Dreary Bigotry, Again! 


    No sooner have we reported on the Indonesian President’s alarm at the expansion of democracy in his country, than we have to highlight the shrinkage of religious liberty there.

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    Almost needless to say, it’s back to Depok, a West Java municipality that abuts Jakarta, and has been the scene of disgusting persecution for years.

    Shariah City? Some 12,000 Reasons To Steer Clear of Depok! 

    • The latest episode occurred this weekend, vicious victimisation of the peaceful and inoffensive Ahmadiyah minority.
    • There’s apparently a video via this Metro TV link.  http://news.metrotvnews.com/peristiwa/ObzB7mlb-muncul-seruan-aksi-242-menolak-ahmadiyah-di-sawangan
    • A mob-march on a small Ahmadi congregation, bigots determined to shut them down? Will the police drive the bigots back, or force the Ahmadis to knuckle under?
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    • If the cops allow suppression of religious liberty in Depok, it sure won’t be the first time. Even unlawful seizure of the minority’s property has gone unpunished in the past.

       

      • They make me want to vomit, all the usual suspects reportedly involved.
      • But a few others, people one might have hoped would speak up for pluralist values, have aligned themselves with Depok’s Dark Agers. 
      • Metro reports the following have appended their names to an appeal for a bigot mob to prevent the minority creed worshipping God.
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      • Ahmad Daman Huri, head of the Islamic boarding school Al Karimiyah;
      • Abdullah Syafii, MUI Chairman in Sawangan;
      • Syahlani, NU Leader in Sawangan;
      • Mustofa, Muhammadiyah Leader in Sawangan;
      • Agus Rahmat Djaelani, FPI Chairman, Depok City
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        • The IslamoNazi FPI
        • The self-styled ‘scholars’ of the MUI…
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      • ….these outfits are infamous for their intolerance.
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      • But more depressing is the inclusion of the NU notable, and the man from Muhammadiyah.
      • Those organisations were formerly regarded as moderate.
      • Nowadays?
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      • Din Sanyuddin, MUI chief
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      • Who knows, since Muhammadiyah’s kingpin, Din, became MUI’s also? I’d hoped Din might stamp out the backward elements among the ‘scholars’ – like their neanderthal enthusiasm for FGM and stoning adulterers.
      • But so far no joy.
      • And now we read of the Depok Muhammadiyah man lending support to suppression of religious freedom.
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      • It’ll be down to the Depok cops.
      • Going back a year or so, we heard encouraging noises from the Presidential Palace. Jokowi Urges Cops To Protect Minorities – in Depok? 
      • But will those police officers heed their president or will innocent people suffer once again at the hands of jihadist jerks?
     
    • Santi 10:02 am on February 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      So many stories from foreign places this week, Ross, and I know you are far away for now but I like that you do not forget Indonesia.
      This Depok story makes me sad, why can the people not go to the mosque in peace and not get mob coming at them.
      It is not right but I read today the city goverment in Depok act intolerant again and order mosque closed, and police do not protect the Ahmadiya right to worship in own mosque.
      I hope President Jokowi will help them keep their freedom to worship.

  • ross1948 4:27 pm on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , Jokowi, liberalism, ,   

    So Jokowi Reckons There’s ‘Too Much Democracy?’ 


    Jokowi made it clear on Wednesday that he was irked by a series of large sectarian rallies over the past few months, which he insinuated was the reason behind the country’s slowing economy.

    If the President was ‘irked’ by the hate-fests staged by Islamist fanatics, he could easily have refused to appear on any platform on which the fanatic Rizieq was standing.

    Yet he did, captured in the photograph which broke so many hearts that beat for Indonesia.

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    He could also have ordered Indonesia’s Police (POLRI) and Armed Forces (the TNI) to take action against Rizieq’s sectarian thug-gang, the self-styled Islam Defenders’ Front (FPI)

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    • Not only have security forces accompanied these white-shirt hoodlums on raids against defenceless citizens and stood back as IslamoNazis created havoc  –IslamoNazis V Free Speech – Jakarta Cops Referee?  but worse, they have consigned helpless children into that gang’s custody and control.

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    On that occasion, it was not just the FPI but also the caliphofascist Hizbut Tahrir  – . Muslim School Burned by Angry Crowd – Police Enlist IslamoNazis to Counsel Kids!   – whom the cops chose as appropriate custodians!

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    “Many people asked me whether our democracy had gone too far. I answered ‘yes, it has gone too far’,” said Jokowi.

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    “Political freedom has opened the door for extreme politics, such as liberalism, fundamentalism, sectarianism, radicalism, terrorism and other ideologies that contradict Pancasila,” he added.   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/02/23/democracy-gone-too-far-jokowi.html

    Fair enough, liberalism, among the other ideologies he mentions, is an unwholesome thing.

    It corrodes any society it touches, as we have seen in Western countries, with its consequences – the rise of the gaystapo, the abhorrence of realistic punishment for evil-doers…

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    …and the self-abnegation most blatantly expressed in the form of suicidal multi-culturalism.

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    But the clear and present danger is that which is so powerful in Indonesia nowadays that few politicians dare speak its name…

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     Islamism.

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    As anyone who has spent much time in Indonesia knows, there are millions of decent Muslims all over the archipelago who have no time for the sectarian triumphalism which characterises the Islamist ideology…

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    Multicult on display in Britain

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    …nor for the brutality and iniquity which is inherent in shariah, the imposition of which is the Islamist goal.

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    Their ultimate objective is treasonous, the subjection of Indonesia, and every other nation, to a global caliphate.

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    As an Indonesian patriot, and of that I have no doubts, President Jokowi could and should have denounced the Islamist ideology, which is the very antithesis of Pancasila.

    Pancasila is the official state ideology here, which looks to God Almighty with NO discrimination against any of the religious denominations that worship Him.

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    Pancasila – Pluralism Enshrined

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    Historically, Pancasila was approved when Indonesia became independent, and a deliberate decision was made to scrap the proposed ‘Jakarta Charter’ which would have dragged the new nation straight down an oppressive Islamist path. 

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    As the leader of the largest Muslim democracy in the world, President Jokowi could and would have done SO much good by naming the Islamist ideology among the others he condemned .

    Another missed opportunity.

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  • ross1948 9:17 am on December 29, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , God's birth, , , Jokowi,   

    Blasphemy? Rizieq Should NOT Be Prosecuted – Nor Ahok! 


    Some words in the news here in Indonesia, or rather the sentence of which they form part, are obviously facile and insulting to Christians.

    “If God gave birth, then who would be the midwife?”.   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/12/28/police-start-investigating-fpi-leader-blasphemy-case.html

    They are also currently the focus of a new ‘blasphemy’ row, with the doyen of the largest Islamist fanatic gang in Indonesia reported to police by two separate organisations, one Christian, one not.

    The second one comprises Muslims,  a spokesman saying –

    “We are focusing on hate speech….he clearly mocked other religion’s teachings … It has the potential to destroy Indonesia’s diversity.”

     jakartaglobe.id/news/fpis-rizieq-shabib-reported-police-hate-speech-blasphemy/.

    If the Police decide to charge Habib Rizieq with ‘blasphemy,’ he could face five years in prison.

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    • Such a break from his usual unpleasant activities might be no bad thing! 
    • I am no fan of Rizieq, and have made clear time and again my detestation of his white-shirt thugs.
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    • But if there is to be punitive action by the authorities against the self-styled ‘Islam Defenders’ Front’ ( FPI) it should be taken in response to violence and vandalism perpetrated against innocent people.

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    We have reported on it often enough, the FPI’s thuggish intimidation, and their cowardice…

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    IslamoNazis V Freedom-Fighters? – Some Chicken, Some Neck! 

    …and there is a strong argument that it should be outlawed, like the PKI, the Indonesian Communist Party.

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    • But ‘blasphemy’ charges?
    • I tend to liken stuff like that to mediaeval witch-hunting – it should not be a crime anywhere in the modern world.

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    • If God does not like what He hears or sees (and I imagine, if He watches what goes in the world He created, He must be horrified most days!) then, as an omnipotent deity, He is more than capable of dishing out appropriate penalties to those who offend Him.

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    If His Name is taken in vain, why would He, in His infinite wisdom, deign to notice? The wittering of mere mortals must rank pretty low in His ‘to-do’ list.  

    Insulting God Almighty, calling Him rude names, or creating disgusting depictions of Him, is low-brow, infantile activity by which some dregs of society have sought to make themselves noticed, people like that obnoxious Andres Serrano. 

    Andres Serrano’s controversial Piss Christ goes on view in New York

    Serrano’s sicko ‘work of art’ was grotesque, and undoubtedly hurt the feelings of very many good people. But hurting people’s feelings should not be a crime. 

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    Mockery is an integral part of free expression, including mockery of religion, or of specific religions. Their practitioners often deserve a lot of what they get, especially when ‘believers’ who talk about ‘peace’ engage in anti-social or downright lawless behaviour.

    ‘Religious’ individuals who invoke God in order to go into tantrum mode over trivial things like cartoons should be sent for therapy.

    If they turn their tantrums into murderous activity…

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    …and by that I mean incitement to murder too…

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    • …then they should be locked up.
    • But Rizieq’s gabbling about ‘God giving birth’ should no more be cause for incarceration, or prosecution, than Governor Ahok’s reference to a verse from the Koran.
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    • “We encourage the government to process the death penalty for Ahok as soon as possible,” said Rizieq.  http://www.suara.com/news/2016/10/14/134313/

    • Neither of them should have to risk jail, or any punishment, for ‘offending’ others. 
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    • President Jokowi and Governor Ahok

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    • President Jokowi promised a ‘Mind-Set Revolution’ during his election campaign. 
    • To many of us who care about Indonesia, the Blasphemy Law, and the viciously discriminatory Tri-Ministerial Decree (issued by Jokowi’s predecessor, SBY) are obstructions to progress towards the modern democratic society envisaged when he coined that slogan.  
     
    • JazPen 9:48 am on December 29, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Hohoho.
      I bet Rizieq’s eyes pop even further out of his head when he reads what you say, Ross.
      Goes without saying, on this I agree with you.
      If Ahok gets found guilty, it will be time to start packing our bags.
      On the other hand if he wins the election, I will unpack and hang on a little longer.

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