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  • ross1948 2:11 pm on February 17, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    ‘Britons’ They Ain’t! Don’t Let ISIS Rape-Gang ‘Home!’ 


    Outgoing commissioner says terror threat will grow as Britons fighting alongside Islamic State in Syria and Iraq start to return…

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/16/met-chief-bernard-hogan-howe-islamic-state-isis-supporters-return-to-britain.

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    “Some of those people are going to come home and that’s the threat that’s hanging there.

    HOME?

    The ISIS rape-gang claims to be a sovereign state, a ‘caliphate,’ and so anyone born and raised in the UK who has chosen to serve that ‘caliphate’ should automatically lose any right to be called a ‘Briton.’


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    Nor should we allow them to think of any civilised country as ‘home.‘ One tends to think they themselves don’t think of the West as ‘home’ anyway, but more like a target for their demonic hate.

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    If they claim to be’ Britons,’ showing up at a UK airport or harbour, expecting to be admitted, they should get the Haw-Haw treatment – the death penalty!

    William Joyce, aka Lord Haw-Haw, went to Germany and served Hitler during WW2.

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    Joyce was hanged for treason in 1946.


    Before any pinko points out that Britain is forbidden by Brussels from giving traitors the treatment they deserve, I know that.

    After Brexit, there’d still be the imbecilic ‘European Court of Human Rights’ to contend with, as well.

     That’s another exit needed, but meanwhile, without capital punishment…

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    …internment is needed!

    By the way, the quotes above and below are the words of the retiring Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police.

    What he says about ISIS rape-gangsters aiming to reach the UK is surely true…they will be brutalised, militarised, have friends and a level of organisation that we don’t experience today.

    That goes  for every single one of them – not just the satanic male scum…

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    ….but also those evil bag-head slags.  

    Truth to tell, I’d say they were all of them SPIRITUALLY brutalised BEFORE they swanned off to kill and ravish innocents, or aid and abet the swine who were committing those crimes.

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    Sectarian incitement to murder, ignored by the Metropolitan Police?

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    Not to overlook the fact that there are plenty of brutalised bigots in Britain and other Western countries who have never (yet) gone on wicked walkabouts – they should be rounded up too.

    But as for the ‘returnees…’

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    …they need to be caged!.

    They are the ones that we most have to worry about and it’s hard to predict when.”

    Well, we won’t need to ‘worry’ about them if they’re incarcerated.

    Whatever happens, that top London cop will soon be replaced and we have to hope his successor will consider taking a more robust approach than he does.

    Hogan-Howe said Britain had been wise to steer clear of swingeing counter-terror laws because that had avoided alienating Muslims in Britain, the vast majority of whom oppose violence.

    OF COURSE we need much more swingeing counter-terror laws!

    Hogan-Howe actually insults good Muslims with that assertion, that tough tactics on terror would ‘alienate’ them.

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    • Good Muslims are loyal to Queen and Country, and do not allow themselves or their families to be infected with the toxic treason of sectarian solidarity.
    • Why would they NOT support swingeing counter-terror laws? They and their kids are just as likely to be murdered or maimed by Islamist bombs in shopping malls, eateries or public transport as any of the rest of us. 

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    • Muslims are just as capable as anyone else of seeing through hate-propaganda.
    • We saw that in Indonesia this week, when enormous numbers of Muslims voted for a Christian governor in 90% Muslim Jakarta –With Huge Support From Decent Muslims, Ahok Fights On!  – despite intolerant Islamists telling them, over and over, that such common sense pluralism is HARAM!
    • The heinous notion that loyalty to co-religionists outweighs patriotic duty should be declared beyond the pale, in every mosque in Britain.
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    • Any preacher who fails to do so should be ejected, from whichever mosque he discredits by his disloyalty.
    • Good Muslims who make this come to pass will do more for their faith than any amount of ‘de-radicalisation’ froth.
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    • Harry H 6:42 pm on February 18, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Usually too busy to comment on all the things I agree with you on, Ross, but time to spare today so yes, all the way with you on this too.
      They deserve to be killed. if Europe wont let us, then deport them.
      Merkel can have them, she takes anything that turns up on her doorstep, even if its dripping blood.

  • ross1948 11:00 pm on July 10, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    “Winterthur A Salafi Hotspot,” Says Swiss Muslim Politician! 


    Swiss city slammed for failing to prevent radicalization

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    Look at that beautiful Swiss city.
    But ‘five young Muslims from Winterthur have travelled to join Isis in recent years,’ or so we read in The Local.
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    Blerim Bunjaku is a socialist and a Muslim active in Swiss politics, who recognises the poison spreading through Switzerland.

    “Today, young Muslims grow up in Salafi families, cut off from Swiss culture. They see the West as an enemy.”

    And what’s been happening there – the arrest of an Enemy Within, who has close links to the inner circle at Winterthur’s An’ Nur-Moschee mosque – is a wake-up call to everyone who wants imported evil rooted out from civilised countries.

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    One might hope Mr. Bunjaku is correct when he asserts that “the majority of regulars there don’t pose any problem, ” but when he at once goes on to say that “there are Isis sympathizers,” one has to ask why that ‘majority’ have not booted the rape-gang fans out, and reported them to the cops.

    Winterthur, it seems, concerned about the conversion of young people to radical Islam, has seen fit to provide a contact point for the public to report and discuss cases of extremism and violence.

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    But the menace clearly runs deeper than the ‘conversion’ of young people who may previously have had a benign and rational outlook on the world.
    It was Bunjaku who raised the issue of offspring growing up in Salafist families.
    We have seen this sorry situation in Australia…
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    …that wretched child celebrating murder, who, incredibly, was not taken from the savages who controlled him and given into the foster-care of decent human beings. 
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    What Bunjaku is talking about in that ‘family’ context is not conversion at all, more a kind of groomed, in-bred cancer, and such parents should be told either –
    A – to stop infecting their kids’ minds with toxic drivel
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    B – to sod off out of Switzerland.
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    “Either [the authorities] have underestimated the problem, or they didn’t want to see it. Today the city still refuses to say that Winterthur is a Salafi hot spot.”

    Bunjaku argues that better communication between the authorities and the Muslim community is essential, as well as prevention measures in schools and mosques such as religious education.

    Well, it’s hardly the duty of the government to establish ‘better communication’ – it’s every citizen’s duty to be pro-active in eradicating enemy alien cells which are known to them.

    And as for ‘schools?’ 

    Time to crack down on disloyal brats and any parents who encourage seditious attitudes like those we’ve reported previously.

    Swiss School Panders To Sectarian Brats! 

    And as for ‘mosques?’

    It’s all very well to say that no preacher should be permitted to spread murderous nonsense about harming ‘blasphemers’ and ‘apostates.’  

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    But what should be required, by law, is for every cleric to issue frequent condemnations of such vile tripe, and to ban any brute who expresses such views from setting foot in any place of worship. 

    http://www.thelocal.ch/20160708/swiss-city-slammed-for-failing-to-prevent-radicalization

     
    • Karl DG 9:47 am on July 11, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      This in Switzerland but lesson to all Europe.

    • Otto N 12:50 pm on July 11, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I hate all this garbage , paying piles of public money to make these sh-ts do what good citizens should do anyway.
      It’s the same in so many countries, and I only just read this morning about how even the Australian cops are paying through the nose to get Muslims there to obey the law.

      ‘The Australian Federal Police handed out $.5 MILLION to Muslim groups just for being Muslim.

      Nothing for Catholics.

      Nothing for Buddhists.

      But create enough mayhem in Australia and the police will pay you for your trouble!

      And that’s on top of every other government department and their dog falling over themselves to hand over cash to the soldiers of Islam.

      The Federal Police chuck away enough of their budget to put an extra 5 police on the road.

      Instead of paying salaries for police, this money goes to such worthy causes as The Lebanese Muslim Association (which wants to distance itself from Moderate Muslims, because moderation suggests some parts of Islam might be “unpalatable” and Islam, like its inventor Muhammad is already perfect).
      When our Islamic Lebanese aren’t running political rallies demanding Pauline Hanson gets silenced, they’re off strengthening communities through $66K worth of sport.

      Won’t Lebanese Muslims kick a footy unless the police pay them to?

      The Islamic Council of Victoria gets heaps to counter extremism. Why do we have to pay them to stop doing something that’s against the law? They say they’re the religion of peace, isn’t countering extremism already part of the peacefulness? And besides, they also say terror has nothing to do with Islam, so what’s it got to do with the Islamic Council?

      The AFP pulled off one ripper deal. It cost the Force just $23,000 to breakdown the misconceptions and stereotypes surrounding the Muslim community in Australia & globally. Bargain!

      Well done all. Now AFP, what’s next? World hunger?

      Can’t we just have coppers who are coppers and arrest crooks?

      http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2016/07/australian-federal-police-hand-muslims-5m-cash-to-help-them-not-to-blow-things-up-and-kill-people.html

  • ross1948 1:22 pm on May 2, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    Ban Murderous Mullahs? Nice One, Norway…But Be Thorough! 


     

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    Norway moves to bar entry to 'hate preachers'
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    This is the Government’s agreeably prompt response to the news that a very unpleasant outfit called ‘Islam Net’ had sent out invitations to some very unpleasant ‘preachers’ to appear at a recent conference.
    Since ‘Islam Net’ is Salafist, this should not have come as a surprise. They are the worst sort of sectarian fanatics, who belong in cess-pool countries like Saudi or Pakistan, not in nice places like Norway.
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    I’d have an even higher opinion of Sylvi if she outlawed that outfit and kicked the swine who run it out of Norway, but nevertheless, her words of wisdom are welcome.
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    “It is unacceptable that religious organizations in Norway invite people to Norway who undermine Norwegian values,”she said, adding that her aim is to ‘thwart antisocial viewpoints.‘ 
    The report reminds us that Denmark too is out to deal with these kind of malignants, with new laws being drafted to tackle imams who “undermine society”.
    OK, but what’s important is that these laws and initiatives are pro-active, not merely passive.
    By that, I mean, governments should not wait till some rabid cur in a robe stands up and tells a flock of backward buffoons to go forth and decapitate innocents whose only ‘crime’ is to have drawn a cartoon satirising some aspect of religion.
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    What NEEDS to be done, as a matter of urgency, in ALL civilised countries, is for every preacher (of all creeds, to be seen to be fair ) to be REQUIRED to include in EVERY sermon a two-fold warning, viz. –
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    A  – that EVERYBODY has the absolute right to convert in or out of every creed, and no harm should be done or threatened to those who so choose…
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    B – that EVERYBODY has a legal right to criticise, satirise and/or mock ANY aspect of any religion, and that NO HARM should be done or threatened to those who do.
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    Any clerics who refuse to issue those fundamental assertions of freedom should be deported.
    Sure, they might agree, then flout their promise, or they might say the right words then clandestinely spread contradictory advice when they think they’re not under surveillance.
    That’s always a risk, but simply reinforces the need for strict surveillance, with rewards on offer for information leading to arrest and conviction.
    The West is at war, and no stone should be left unturned in the war effort. 
     
    • Hendro Kenny 1:52 am on May 3, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      very good thoughts for the goverments to require the Protestant pastors and Catholic priests too, when every one of us knows the pastors and priests do not call to kill apostates or blasphemers.
      They know that God will punish guilty when they die and are not so blasphemous as the imams and muftis and mullahs who think they know God’s mind. They are the real blasphemers when they imagine they His deputies with little tin-stars who may murder freely in His Name.
      I hope this will be a required thing as you propose. Many evil men will then be made to leave our countrys.

  • ross1948 7:05 pm on March 24, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    Ed Husain, Bliar’s Henchman, Hogwashes On Terror! 


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    Sun-bathing today, but now and then coming indoors to watch CNN and its extended coverage of Islaimst terrorism in Europe. They just had Ed Husain, who was described as part of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, but that doesn’t make Ed a liar – to suggest such a thing would be to impute guilt by association.

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    I’ve heard of Husain and sometimes he’s talked sense.

    But today he’s sticking his nose into American electoral politics, which I do too, of course, but he was talking a lot of rot, unlike Yours Truly. 

    He actually said that mosques were the wrong place to look for dangerous fanatics.

    This amazed me.

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    Denmark may strip citizenship from imams 

    Abu Bilal, a primtive Palestinian pig, of Grimhoj Mosque Denmark may strip citizenship from imams

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    There are many mosques around the Western world which have maintained an eerie silence on calls to murder innocent people, which have declined to condemn demands that ‘blasphemers’ be slain, or ‘apostates’ put to death.

    Demonic, Dark Ages stuff, the very dangerous doctrines that characterise ISIS .

    Some mosques. like Grimhoj, in Denmark, have been the scene of open incitement. 

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    Responsible mosques would surely have banned scum like the above from worshipping on their premises.  Those who do not denounce evil are damn near as guilty as those who perpetrate it.

    But rather than merely expostulate on demonic dogma, I did a quick search on terror links, and here’s The Independent, scarcely, in any sense, an example of conservative media, as we have shown in the recent past. 

    But its report, TODAY, tells of two pigs in the UK, newly convicted ISIS vermin.

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    Jurors at the Old Bailey were not told that Hassane, the ringleader of the plot who went by the nickname The Surgeon, had links to a west London mosque attended by Mohammed Emwazi, the Isis executioner known as Jihadi John –   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/two-uk-students-convicted-of-isis-inspired-plot-to-carry-out-drive-by-shootings-in-london-a6948646.html

    OK, got that, Ed?
    Or is such breaking news just too new for you to have taken it into account before blurting out your absurd assertion?  
    If so, and given that one swallow doth not a summer make, I ploughed on…to Madrid, where The Local, in a report about concerned Spaniards protesting Islamist murder gangs.
    But embedded therein was this – 
    In 2014, Spanish officials found that a network of extremists had used the cafeteria of the mosque to recruit jihadists for Isis, before the network was dismantled.
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    Okay, that’s just three mosques SPECIFICALLY mentioned in terror reports.
    If you check for yourselves, I dare say you could find plenty more. Like that one we’ve noted in Denmark, above.

    And here in Jakarta, where I live?

    At Least 8 Mosques Used as Bases for Spreading ISIS …

    Ed Husain should retract his nonsense. 
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    Of course there are good Muslim clerics, like that fine fellow in Oxford. ‘An Archaic Tribal Rag’ – Wise UK Muslim Imam Says ‘Ban the Burqa!’ 

    And good Muslims who deserve all honour and praise for their positive input, like Canada’s Tarek Fateh – First of all, he must renounce jihad and the application of jihad and sharia law.”  .

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    TarekTarek Fateh A Muslim Voice of Reason – Khadr May Return, IF………!!!!  

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    But any mosque where the sermons lack such needful truths? Does Bliar’s henchman prefer to ignore their existence? 

     

     
  • ross1948 2:57 pm on November 16, 2015 Permalink | Reply
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    Reassuring French Muslims? How About Reassuring France? 


    I spent the latter part of yesterday watching the continuous updates from Paris, along with my guest, an Indonesian Muslim.

    We were identically appalled at the enormity of the evil that was done by those filthy savages hollering ‘Allahu Akbar.’

    I dare say we both recalled the equally filthy savages at Cikeusik, a few years ago, recorded on video as they bludgeoned three innocent Ahmadi martyrs to death.

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    They too hollered the same blasphemous call. 

    And I am utterly confident that my other Muslim friends here are just as disgusted as we were. 

    At least the jihadist scum in Paris got what they deserved and will now be burning in Hell.

    That outcome differentiates the French police from their Indonesian counterparts, who stood back and let the pogrom happen.

    And those Cikeusik pigs eventually arrested got off with slap-on-the-wrist sentences.

    Victim of Islamist Murder Mob Gets Six Months in the Slammer 

    However, my guest is long gone now, after making me a great bacon breakfast, BTW, and now the media is rattling on about how Muslims in France need reassurance, that they’ll not all be blamed for the crimes committed by Islamists.

    It would be monstrous if they were blamed. Many of them will share my guest’s views. But there are things that could be done to minimise the risk of an unfair backlash.

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    Condemnations of the atrocity from Islamic leaders have been forthcoming, and are welcome.

    But there is more they could say and do. They could call on their clerics in every mosque to clarify perceived aspects of their creed that alarm everyday French (and other!) folk.

    First, they should be required to denounce any suggestion that ideological allegiance trumps their duty as French citizens. Sectarian solidarity with foreign populations is inadmissable as a reason to criticise their country’s foreign policy.

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    • Equally important, perhaps, is a clear decree that ‘apostasy’ and/or ‘heresy’ can never be grounds for harm. Every imam should be required, on pain of dismissal from his pulpit, to tell his flock that, just as anyone has the right to convert to Islam, so too anyone is free to convert out of Islam, to another faith, or to none.

    A similar clarion call must be sounded in every mosque, that while the preacher may not like certain cartoons or other depictions of prophets…

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    … such dislike should be expressed via sermons, emails to editors or Facebook posts, ALONG WITH an unequivocal injunction against any physical threat to the authors of such drawings. 

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    • As for sexism, well, it’s their mosque, so if they can’t abide women worshipping side by side with men, okay, but OUTSIDE, in a free society, no second-class status  may be ascribed to women. 

    Any cleric unwilling to comply with these modest requirements should be excluded from religious premises – in fact, it might be wise to exclude them from France altogether.

     

     
  • ross1948 9:53 am on September 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply
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    Migrant Muslim Ban? How to Allay ‘Islamophobia!’ 


    I read a week or two ago that Slovakia, a small country located in the very heart of Europe, is reportedly prepared to accept 200 ‘migrants,’ but only Christians. Since then, Finns have expressed similar noises.

    Today, Australia’s Foreign Minister Julie Bishop was almost instantly subjected to whines about ‘discrimination’ after she dclared ‘a focus on assisting those persecuted ethnic and religious minorities who will have no home to return to when the conflict is over. 

    “So that includes Maronites, it includes Yazidis, there are Druze.” 

    Discrimination in favour of those most at risk is just plain good sense, and common decency. Christians and Yazidis have been evilly tormented by the Islamist rape-gang ISIS and deserve our sympathy.

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    • But we need to be forthright on the issue of ‘Islamophobia,’ a bogus word conjured up by the likes of CAIR, whose character we should all understand by now.

    Let’s listen to the Slovaks.

    Bratislava officials claim Muslim refugees wouldn’t feel at home because the country has such a tiny Islamic population. Daily Mail Online.

    I frankly find it unlikely that a lack of suitable places of worship is the real reason behind this policy. Muslims, after all, can and do pray anywhere.

    Considerate Muslims, like my former colleague in London, find unobtrusive locations, like a small room in the office complex, whilst less considerate ones obstruct the public footway en masse, even highways, thus contributing to ‘Islamophobia.’. https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/jakarta-top-cop-slams-traff-islamic-jams/

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    • So I’d say this attitude on the part of the Slovaks is actually down to the failure of most clerics in Europe to do what I have often suggested as the best antidote to anti-Islamic feeling, namely use their pulpits to denounce several unacceptable attitudes rightly or wrongly imputed to Muslims.
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    First, at every Friday prayer session, all good clerics should begin their sermon with a clear-cut assertion that Muslims in the UK (or any country) may not elevate any imagined empathy with Muslims abroad either above, or on a par with, loyalty to Queen and Country.

    • Any such supranational allegiance is an affront and if held, should be cause for detention pending deportation.
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    Secondly, the sermons should decree that, under no circumstances, should anyone in their audience think, never mind act, violently towards ‘apostates’ or ‘blasphemers.’

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    People in those categories are not bad. They simply hold different views about how to worship or not worship. Some ‘blasphemers’ may be rude, but in those cases, in a civilised country, civilised people do not behave like the rabid morons in the above photo. They ignore what might offend, or write a critical letter to their favourite newspaper.

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    Third, again at least once a week, it should be explained that polygamy is for primitives. Civilised people should not, and, where it’s illegal, may not, engage in multi-spouse relationships.

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    Again, anyone who feels strongly, once a citizen, may propose to change the law, but of course only on the basis of sex equality, any reform conferring the right to more than one legal bed-mate to both men and women. 

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    Thirdly, on the same theme, responsible clerics should powerfully aver that men and women are not to be iniquitously treated. Already, in the UK, and elsewhere, we have heard rational Muslim input on this. 

    ‘An Archaic Tribal Rag’ – Wise UK Muslim Imam Says ‘Ban the Burqa!’ 

    It’s on the BBC! Bag-Head Bans Do Not Infringe Religious Liberty! 

    Fiery Islamists – ‘Head-Scarves NOT a Big Issue!’ 

    If women are told to shroud their heads, men also should be instructed accordingly!

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    Clerics should moreover speak out against any demand by fanatics to be above the law, and this is a topical matter, given what I read in the UK media last week, about certain people saying they should be excluded from the attentions of sniffer dogs.

    POLICE sniffer dogs trained to spot terrorists at railway stations may no longer come into contact with Muslim passengers – after complaints that it is against the suspects’ religion.

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    A report for the Transport Department has raised the prospect that the animals should only touch passengers’ luggage because it is considered “more acceptable.”   http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/50071/Sniffer-dogs-offend-Muslims

    There’s no excuse for permitting the infantile notion of ‘cultural sensitivity’ to trump public safety.

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    I honestly believe regular repetition of all the above in every house of worship (Muslim or otherwise ) would reassure host nations immensely.

    Most, if not all, Western countries practise religious liberty. Decent Muslims can practise their religion happily, and fit in well, like these Ahmadiyah in the UK.

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    • It’s when attempts are made to exalt alien and obnoxious customs – multicult – that trouble starts. Sane Muslims know this, and have said so, admirable Muslims like Tarek Fateh in Canada.
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    Like Tarek Fateh, and, I reckon, the equally estimable American Muslim, Zuhdi Jasser…Witch-Hunt In America – Against A Muslim Patriot!  ...and the Muslims I count as friends, people I hang out with socially and frequently have here as house-guests, would find little fault with anything I’ve suggested. 

    Even here in 90% Muslim Indonesia, only a malignant minority would go along with that fanatic to whom I often refer. 

    IslamoNazi Gauleiter – “Women Already Have Limitations, Let Alone Non-Muslims!” 

    The more loudly that decent Muslims disown such drivel, the less ‘Islamophobia’ will appear.

     

     

     
    • Neil Raines 11:06 am on September 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Excellent arguments, but what about ‘taqiya,’
      How do you know if they mean what they say?
      I think you are too trusting, Ross, softened up by life in sunny tropics.

    • James Rierson 7:57 am on September 10, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      You cannot be faulted in your list of faults that need to be corrected by these people but do you honestly think any sermons along the lines you suggest would be done without a very visible tongue in cheek, “nudge-nudge, wink-wink, just fulfilling kafir commands, you know what the real message is?”

      All the evidence we have seen and heard in Australia, from the top ‘establishment’ Islamic authorities down to the lowest Lakemba levels of jihadism, has shown us that they automatically object to Australia fighting against any Muslim country/army/organisation.
      They DO put their ‘sectarian allegiance,’ as you correctly describe it, before loyalty to the country they claim to be part of.

      I’m sure there are honourable Muslims in Australia whose first duty is to Australia, but they don’t seem to rise high in the groups that speak for their communitiy.

  • ross1948 1:45 pm on June 13, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , civic militia, closure, coercion, , , , , Minister of Religious Affairs, mosques, , , noise, opening hours, , ,   

    Well Said, Sir! Some Sense on Ramadan Shut-Downs…BUT! 


    Well, after reminding you all of what could most kindly be described as the careless talk we once heard from the MUI’s Amidhan about Ramadan … 

    Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    …I am delighted to note that he has talked some good sense, according to a Tempo.com report.

    Chairman of the Indonesian Ulema Council, Amidhan Shaberah, said the closure of the food stalls during Ramadan is a tradition….not related to the state. According to him, there should be no controversy over whether food stalls should be opened or closed.

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    He recognised that in some areas they will close because that’s what the people, presumably including the stall-holders, want to do. Fair enough, so long as there’s no coercion by bigot bullies, like these IslamoNazis in Makassar.

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    • Even so, said Amidhan, in other areas stalls can still be opened because many people are still in need. “Leave it to the respective areas in accordance with tradition.”
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    • It turns out that this latest discussion of the topic arose because Lukman Hakim Syaifuddin, whose tenure as Minister of Religion is a welcome change from his bigot predecessor, Suryadharma Ali, has declared that people who are not fasting should be respected.

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    Stalls, said Lukman, do not need to be closed for Ramadan.

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    The Government, he said, does not need to make rules whether the food stalls should be closed or not. “Leave it to tradition and awareness.”

    Excellent, echoing the words of the late Gus Dur on the same issue. 

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    ‘We Muslims should fast with respect for those not fasting.’ -A REAL Muslim scholar, the late President Gus Dur

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    But even as we read this outbreak of common sense, another Tempo report reminds us that there’s a long way to go before the state takes its sticky-beak nose out of where it shouldn’t be.

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    Jakarta’s SatPol PP (civic militia) have launched their annual prudery blitz on people who like to have fun! Their operation was endorsed by the capital’s Vice Governor, Djarot Saiful Hidayat.

    He announced that the city would restrict the operating hours of nightclubs during Ramadan. He wouldn’t hesitate to take stern action against the owners of nightclubs that violate these rules.

    Why the heck should hours of revelry be restricted? Yes, if disco music is drowning out the sermon at a nearby mosque.

    But mosque loud-speakers here can hold their own against any poor DJ.  https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/mosques-above-the-law-too-sensitive-to-enforce-noise-control-and-criticism-an-outrage/  Nor do they need to comply with city rules, so we’ve seen.

    But the point surely is that if people feel like praying or whatever, they can, and same with the self-denial from terrible fleshly pursuits, like singing, dancing and drinking.

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    Nobody rushes out of bars to drag the passing faithful in. Nor does anybody force anyone else, least of all the devout, to stay out late having a good time.

    If there’s no alternative to being self-denying, it’s not self-denial, merely sectarian coercion.

     

    http://ramadan.tempo.co/read/news/2015/06/12/151674525/satpol-pp-awasi-tempat-hiburan-malam-jakarta

     
  • ross1948 10:00 am on February 4, 2015 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , mosques, Muslim Lawyers,   

    Jihadists Connected to Mosques? How DARE You, Harper! 


    Asked how to distinguish between teens messing around in their basements and someone who is radicalized, Harper said it would be a serious offence “no matter who you are.” “It doesn’t matter what the age of the person is, or whether they’re in a basement, or whether they’re in a mosque or somewhere else,” Harper said Friday in Richmond Hill, Ont.

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    The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) and the Canadian Muslim Lawyers’ Association (CMLA) said in a press release Monday that they are “deeply troubled” Harper “implicated Canadian mosques as venues where terrorism is advocated or promoted.” In a press release, the groups demanded Harper apologize.  https://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/muslim-communities-stand-against-extremism-205308288.html

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    • Yes, of course!

    Harper should at once go down on bended knee and apologise PROFUSELY.

    At the same time, in order to redress the imbalanced perspective created by his shameful comment, he should list a few of the many examples of other places, YMCA, Canadian Legion, Kiwanis, Lions, etc identified by the security services as premises where  terrorism is advocated and promoted.  

     

     
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