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  • ross1948 10:47 am on March 19, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , Gulen, , Inter-Faith envoys, MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), Professor Amin Abdullah,   

    Jakarta's 'Inter-Faith' Envoy Amin Abdullah Best Avoid Turks! 


    Much to contemplate about the news here in Jakarta, that, among the ‘interfaith leaders set to visit several countries across Europe and the United States to introduce values of tolerance among Islamic religious followers in the country…’

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    Professor Amin Abdullah

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    …is an Islamic scholar named Amin Abdullah.

    Not too familiar with Amin’s record, I looked it up and I have to admit, he seems to be impressively tolerant.

    But that sentence quoted above is somewhat confusing. Are Amin and his fellow-envoys really going abroad to introduce values of tolerance among Islamic religious followers in the country- Indonesia?

    Surely the place to achieve that objective is right here at home?

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    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/03/18/interfaith-leaders-to-tour-europe-us-to-introduce-indonesias-moderate-islam.html

     

    Certainly, there’s much to be done in this sunny archipelago, where there are millions of decent Indonesians who ARE tolerant, but a significant number too who are viciously intolerant of any other mode of worship.

    I’m not talking about loathesome ignoramuses like those we have seen in in West Java.

    X-Rated Xmas – Foul-Mouths Bully Christians, As ‘Moderate’Mayor Denies They Exist!’ 

    Head-Scarfed Harpies Hurl Dung and Urine at Christians 

    But how about this bunch?

     

    Cops – “Islamist ‘Scholars’ Can Veto Religious Liberty” 

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    The official recognised body of self-styled ‘scholars,’ the MUI, is infamous for its intolerance.

    The climate of intolerance has intensified since I came here in the late 1990s, to the extent that the Christian Governor of Jakarta is currently on trial for the Dark Age ‘crime’ of ‘blasphemy.’ 

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    Ain’t Just Ahok – More Indonesian Dissenters Behind Bars! 

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    But this Jakarta Post report needs more than one morning’s comment to do it justice.

    What concerns me today is the safety of Pak Amin Abdullah if he goes to Europe next week as planned. 

    The JP tells us that France, Germany, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the US are among countries they will visit.

    As we know, or should have learned  from reading the news last week, Germany and The Netherlands are infested with fanatic Turks, fans of the arrogant Islamist Erdogan.


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    His fans are as much enemies of tolerance as he is.

    They are violent ingrates who showed by their disgraceful behaviour that they do not belong in the civilised democratic societies which have afforded them opportunities to better themselves.

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    Nor of course does Erdolf belong to Europe, neither the Europe of traditional values that we favour, nor the left-liberal Europe which the Brussels Euro-Commissars are intent on imposing.

    So Prof. Amin needs to beware!

    Why?

    Because Erdogan’s secret police, and their huge network of agents all across these European countries…  –German investigation into Turkey’s religious officials collecting information on its enemies may be the tip of the iceberg. Turkish imam spy affair in Germany extends across Europe-…may well be extremely nasty but they are simultaneously extremely diligent.

    They do their research!

    And if I can learn within five minutes of researching Professor Amin Abdullah that he has sung the praises of Fethullah Gulen, so can the Erdogestapo.

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    Gulen is the bete noire of the sectarian regime in Ankara, where the wannabe caliph views the exile as his arch-enemy.

    Since the failed kudeta last year, which Erdogan claims to believe was Gulen’s work, myrmidons of the Turkish state have been persecuting, prosecuting and jailing real or alleged Gulen fans…

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    …and a reign of terror unleashed against then in Europe.   ‘Sleepless nights’ for Gülen’s supporters in Europe

    Hence my concern for Pak Amin’s safety. Anyone who writes as he has written-

    One reason for the success of the Gülen movement in many countries is the universal nature of Gülen‘s vision, his nonviolence and tolerant approach during a time of fear of religious extremism…Gülen bases his dialogue not entirely on the ground of faith, but on love. His social philosophy revolves around the idea of serving humanity, and institutes should service this purpose…. 

    M. Amin Abdullah – Gulen Conferences

    Well, let’s just say you’d better watch your back over there, sir.

    Europe ain’t what it used to be!

     
    • JazPen 3:01 pm on March 19, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I was surprised that the government here would think to do this, send people flying around talking about tolerance with Ahok on trial because he upset Habib Rizieq and the MUI.
      But nothing much really surprises anymore.

  • ross1948 9:51 pm on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , , , , MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), ,   

    West Java – Depok’s Damnable Dreary Bigotry, Again! 


    No sooner have we reported on the Indonesian President’s alarm at the expansion of democracy in his country, than we have to highlight the shrinkage of religious liberty there.

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    Almost needless to say, it’s back to Depok, a West Java municipality that abuts Jakarta, and has been the scene of disgusting persecution for years.

    Shariah City? Some 12,000 Reasons To Steer Clear of Depok! 

    • The latest episode occurred this weekend, vicious victimisation of the peaceful and inoffensive Ahmadiyah minority.
    • There’s apparently a video via this Metro TV link.  http://news.metrotvnews.com/peristiwa/ObzB7mlb-muncul-seruan-aksi-242-menolak-ahmadiyah-di-sawangan
    • A mob-march on a small Ahmadi congregation, bigots determined to shut them down? Will the police drive the bigots back, or force the Ahmadis to knuckle under?
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    • If the cops allow suppression of religious liberty in Depok, it sure won’t be the first time. Even unlawful seizure of the minority’s property has gone unpunished in the past.

       

      • They make me want to vomit, all the usual suspects reportedly involved.
      • But a few others, people one might have hoped would speak up for pluralist values, have aligned themselves with Depok’s Dark Agers. 
      • Metro reports the following have appended their names to an appeal for a bigot mob to prevent the minority creed worshipping God.
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      • Ahmad Daman Huri, head of the Islamic boarding school Al Karimiyah;
      • Abdullah Syafii, MUI Chairman in Sawangan;
      • Syahlani, NU Leader in Sawangan;
      • Mustofa, Muhammadiyah Leader in Sawangan;
      • Agus Rahmat Djaelani, FPI Chairman, Depok City
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        • The IslamoNazi FPI
        • The self-styled ‘scholars’ of the MUI…
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      • ….these outfits are infamous for their intolerance.
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      • But more depressing is the inclusion of the NU notable, and the man from Muhammadiyah.
      • Those organisations were formerly regarded as moderate.
      • Nowadays?
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      • Din Sanyuddin, MUI chief
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      • Who knows, since Muhammadiyah’s kingpin, Din, became MUI’s also? I’d hoped Din might stamp out the backward elements among the ‘scholars’ – like their neanderthal enthusiasm for FGM and stoning adulterers.
      • But so far no joy.
      • And now we read of the Depok Muhammadiyah man lending support to suppression of religious freedom.
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      • It’ll be down to the Depok cops.
      • Going back a year or so, we heard encouraging noises from the Presidential Palace. Jokowi Urges Cops To Protect Minorities – in Depok? 
      • But will those police officers heed their president or will innocent people suffer once again at the hands of jihadist jerks?
     
    • Santi 10:02 am on February 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      So many stories from foreign places this week, Ross, and I know you are far away for now but I like that you do not forget Indonesia.
      This Depok story makes me sad, why can the people not go to the mosque in peace and not get mob coming at them.
      It is not right but I read today the city goverment in Depok act intolerant again and order mosque closed, and police do not protect the Ahmadiya right to worship in own mosque.
      I hope President Jokowi will help them keep their freedom to worship.

  • ross1948 1:01 am on December 24, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , Kulonprogo, MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), ,   

    Well Done, Tito Karnavian – Collaborationist Cops Slapped Down! 


    It’s fair to say some of us have been concerned by the behaviour of Indonesia’s National Chief of police.

    So Has Indonesia Come To This? Paradise Lost? 

    But Tito Karnavian deserves a round of applause for telling two local top cops to back off from their seeming endorsement of a fatwa issued by the notorious fanatics of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI).

    “I have firmly warned the Bekasi Police chief and Kulonprogo Police chief.  I warned them because it’s not permitted to issue circulars based on an MUI fatwa…”


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    “…an MUI fatwa is not statutory law that should be upheld. [The police] should not issue circulars that could become a legal document,” he added.

    This is most welcome!

    All too often in recent years we have read of the self-styled ‘scholars’ of the MUI using the police to enforce their opinionated outbursts.

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    Adam Created By Angel?” Islamist ‘ScholarsCall the Cops

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    Cops – “Islamist ‘Scholars’ Can Veto Religious Liberty” 

     

    Bekasi Police reportedly issued a circular on Dec. 15 while Kulonprogo Police released a circular on Dec. 17, in which both instructed owners and management of businesses not to force their employees to wear Christmas attributes.  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/12/19/police-to-revoke-circulars-on-mui-ban-on-christmas-attributes.html

    The MUI, as we keep reminding readers who may not be familiar with their record, are a benighted bunch, and again we offer examples to substantiate this description –.

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    It was MUI’s Deputy Chair, Ma’aruf, who kindly advised everyone that FGM is a ‘human right!’  

     https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/clitoral-clip-no-scraping-suffices-tell-us-islamist-scholars-why-do-it/

    And here’s another of their ‘scholars’ talking. 

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    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said.
     http://www.suarapembaruan.com/home/mui-dukung-pelaku-kumpul-kebo-dipidanakan/32705

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    Clearly accepting moral guidance from such people is ill-advised, let alone allowing such extremists to lay down the law.

     Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    Bekasi Police, alas, operate in a community infamous for its intolerance.

    Head-Scarfed Harpies Hurl Dung and Urine at Christians

    Again, previous posts here confirm that sad fact.

    Bekasi’s Islamist Regime – ‘We Won’t Allow Religious Liberty If Bigot Thugs Object!’ 

    Bekasi Bigots V Religious Liberty, Again! 

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    And apart from anything else, the record of Bekasi Police themselves leaves a load of questions to answer about things they’ve done – or not done!

    …here – Christians Abused by Islamist Mob, Cops Fail to Enforce the Law 

    …and here – ‘Off With His Head!’ – Jakarta Cops – No Sweat on Murder Threat! 

    As for the situation in Kulonprogo, I simply don’t know and need to check it out. Jogjakarta used to have a good reputation for religious tolerance, but recently…?

     
  • ross1948 10:22 am on November 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), , , , , , Zuhairi Misrawi   

    Ahok Defies Back-Stabbers And Sectarian Fanatics! 


    Since the bloody riot two Fridays ago, when gangs of Islamist hoodlums attacked police and shamed Indonesia before the assembled cameras of the world’s media, a lot of that overseas media have lost interest in what’s happening in Jakarta.

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    • So for the sake of fair play, I must mention today a young Muslim leader named Zuhairi Misrawi.
    • Despite the Jakarta Post branding him an ‘intellectual,’ he sounds a sensible fellow. He belongs to the NU, the Nahdlatul Ulama, a very large organisation, which sometimes comes out with rational thoughts, and this is one of those times.

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    • Zuhairi is urging the extremist so-called ‘scholars’ of the MUI, who are still state-funded, so far as I know…

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    ….to back-track on their peculiar accusations of ‘blasphemy’ against Ahok, the Christian Governor of Jakarta.

    As has been obvious to everyone from the start of the controversy, Zuhairi points out that it’s based on a misquote of a speech the governor made that was uploaded to the internet.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/11/07/mui-must-retract-biased-statement-against-ahok-nu-activist.html

    We reported on Ahok’s reference to a Koranic verse before, and you can check that out…

    Half-Million Fanatics Descending On Jakarta? Peacefully!?! 

    …but it’s undoubtedly true that, if the issue had remained a case of notorious jihadist gang-groups caterwauling as usual, few normal Indonesians would have given a tinker’s cuss.

    But Zuhairi’s right.

     “The MUI is the source of all of these problems.”

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    The self-styled ‘scholars’ will be miffed, I guess, but again overseas readers need to see some examples of what sort of thinking permeates their opulent HQ downtown.

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    • Ma’aruf

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    It was MUI’s Deputy Chair, Ma’aruf, who kindly advised everyone that FGM is a ‘human right!’  

     https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/clitoral-clip-no-scraping-suffices-tell-us-islamist-scholars-why-do-it/

    And here’s another of their ‘scholars’ talking. 

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    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said.
     http://www.suarapembaruan.com/home/mui-dukung-pelaku-kumpul-kebo-dipidanakan/32705

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    • Would you take anything they say seriously?
    • So why do the Jakarta Police?
    • However, encouragingly, the Jakarta police have also started to take a careful look at a certain Buni Yani.

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    He’s the character who uploaded the video which the nastiest elements in the archipelago then spread around to foment hatred against the Governor.

    Foment other people’s hatred, that is, because the nastiest elements have always hated him Jakarta Jew-Haters Boo Chinese Christian Candidate  , simply because of his race and religion and his habit of calling a spade a spade.

    Fanatic Islamist Wails At Christian Governor – “He Calls People Names!”  

    It seems this geezer has admitted making errors when transcribing the governor’s words before posting the footage.

    Bizarrely, Buni was quoted in Republika, a newspaper that might charitably be described as ‘Islamic,’ on Friday, as demanding that   Ahok supporters stop their provocations.

    Buni Yani Minta Pendukung Ahok Hentikan Provokasi

    http://www.republika.co.id/berita/nasional/politik/16/11/05/og581g377-buni-yani-minta-pendukung-ahok-hentikan-provokasi

    Meanwhile, Ahok is showing he’s made of the right stuff, refusing to stand down as a gubernatorial candidate despite chicken-sh-ts behind the scenes seeking to dissuade him. 

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    • Without naming the parties, Ahok said he had been asked to drop out on security concerns in the capital. He claimed the parties said demonstrations against him would continue if he stayed in the race.

    I wish he’d ID the culprits, but good to see the good guv ain’t taking any cr-p from creeps that crawl to the sectarians behind the ‘blasphemy’ ballyhoo.

     “I’d rather be arrested and jailed than drop out of the race,” Ahok said in the Pantai Mutiara area, North Jakarta, on Thursday

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/11/11/id-rather-be-arrested-and-jailed-than-drop-out-of-race-ahok.html

    Good for Ahok! I hope that the many millions of decent Muslims who live in Jakarta will endorse his courageous stand.

    If people must make an issue of religion in the election next year, which of course it shouldn’t be, my own view is that they should focus on ex-president SBY’s son, Agus Yudhoyono,  who is also running for Jakarta Governor.

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    • Will Agus give a guarantee to protect freedom of religion in Indonesia’s capital?
     
  • ross1948 9:33 am on September 30, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: beer-drinking contest, , , , MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ),   

    OMG! Now Beer-Drinking = Harassment Against Muslims? 


    Indonesia is a genuinely multicultural nation, not like the gestapoid multicult in countries like Britain or Germany, where it’s based on arrogant immigrants who refuse to adapt to their adopted homeland.
    Here we have a variety of disparate peoples, Balinese, Javanese, Bataks, etc., who came together via the independence struggle and stayed together afterwards.
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    But the harmony of the archipelago is under constant threat from IslamoNazi fanatics who refuse to recognise that other creeds, and indeed other Muslims, are content to live and let live.

    We have often reported on vicious Islamist bigotry against other creeds, church closures etc.

    But today it’s not about any theological issue but a matter dear to my heart…

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    …beer-drinking!

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    VIVA.co.id described how the self-styled ‘Defenders of Islam’ Front (FPI)  thwarted a beer-drinking competition in the Coffee and Beer Garden, in Semarang, Central Java last Thursday ( September 22)

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    Zainal Abidin Petir


    Chairman of Legal Advocacy FPI Central Java, Zainal Abidin Petir had accused the competition of being a form of harassment against Muslims.

    Downright bizarre, to talk of boozing thus!

    Nobody was forced, or in any way pressured, to enter the contest. 

    But get this, his expanded justification..

    If later  beer becomes a culture for adolescents, then alcohol is no longer a taboo, let alone illegal,” said Zaenal..  http://nasional.news.viva.co.id/news/read/822751-fpi-gagalkan-lomba-minum-bir-sepuasnya-di-semarang
    But there was a clear age restriction, nobody under 18 allowed to participate!  

    Go figure!

    This extremist even had the gall to complain that various criminal acts stem from the consumption of liquor.

    Which is no doubt true.

    But there are plenty of criminal acts that stem from the FPI and other anti-social Islamists, including openly blood-thirsty exhortations like this…

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    fpi kill busddhist

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    …and more.

    FPI in West Java – ‘Let’s Burn Out the Orphans!’ 

    Head-Scarfed Harpies Hurl Dung and Urine at Christians 

    Zany Zainal, needless to say, informs us that he’s got the backing of a number of community organizations (CBOs), including the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI).

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    That’s the state-sponsored council of so-called “scholars” whose own record is fascinating.
    Just check out our previous posts.
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    …for example when their high-up, Amidhan, warned people unwilling to comply with Islamist demands at Ramadhan… 

     Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    And don’t let’s forget this fine fanatic fellow!

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    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

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    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said.
     http://www.suarapembaruan.com/home/mui-dukung-pelaku-kumpul-kebo-dipidanakan/32705
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    Zainal concludes by graciously telling us that the FPI will not engage in sweeping and anarchy…
    ‘Sweeping’ is the euphemism for raids against everything form bars to little street stalls that serve lunch during Ramadhan.
    But shrill sectarian rants can have the desired effect, too, as most people are all too aware that too many cops play ball with IslamoNazis.   
    If people DO stand up to them, then it depends on the numbers. These white-shirts are brave enough when they’re mob-handed.
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    But if enough courageous souls resist their vile bullying, they scarper sharpish, as happened in Sukorejo a couple of years ago.
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    The FPI ran for sanctuary to the nearest mosque! 
     
  • ross1948 11:32 am on August 16, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , dakwah, Damri, , H Laitef, Islamic propaganda, , Mayor Ridwan Kamil, MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ),   

    Pluralism? Muslim Sermons on Public Buses? 


    I don’t like flying. Never have, never will.

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    In the days when I had time to spare, my choice was always the ocean wave rather than way up high.

    But one resigns oneself to it, pretending one is on a bus and avoiding the sight of clouds outside your window. Now, however, taking an actual bus here in Indonesia, at least in one major city, is going to be a bit of an ordeal as well.

    Bandung, West Java’s top city, has many buses going to and fro on its streets, and the Jakarta Post last weekend reported there’s to be a program for Islamic preachers to board city buses and give sermons.


    Bandung looks normal, but it IS in West Java!

    Cops Stop West Java Worship, Appease Islamist Louts 

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    Good grief.  

    Apart from the fact that no similar opportunity to hector helpless passengers appears to have been offered to Christian, Buddhist or Hindu preachers, who needs sermons when you’re on the way to work?

    Anyone Muslim in Bandung, or anywhere in West Java, who wants to enjoy spiritual uplift, has a choice of multitudinous mosques to drop by. Most people who board a bus like to doze off, read a paper, or chat to whomsoever’s sitting next to them.

    What gives Bandung City the right to disturb their preferred peaceful pastimes?

    But it gets even weirder – the Mayor claims not to know anything about this sectarian propaganda scheme.


    Mayor Ridwan Kamil

    “When they announced it, they did not have my permission. We have no such plan, why did they announce it? I am confused myself,” Ridwan Kamil said.

    Seems like Hizonna needs to slap down those who’ve been keeping him in the dark about this bizarre plan, which was announced a few days earlier by H. Latief, the head of religious affairs at the city secretariat.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/08/15/bandung-mayor-has-not-given-nod-to-bus-sermons.html

    According to Latief, the sermons will only happen on state-owned DAMRI buses. In Jakarta, they only run to the airport, but in Bandung, I don’t know.


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    However, if they are state-owned, all the more reason to stop Latief’s scheme. Indonesia is NOT an Islamic Republic, but a multi-faith nation, so this putative sectarian hi-jack is totally out of order.

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    • But Latief’s arrogance is unbelievable. He asserts that the sermons would be better than just daydreaming, communicating through cell phones or sleeping.

    No way is that for the likes of some jumped-up wowser like Latief to decide for you or me, buddy! Talking to family or friends, or texting, are splendid ways to pass time on a bus, as indeed is sleeping.

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    And it gets worse!

    Turns out it’s a joint project between the Ministry of Religious Affairs’ office in Bandung, the Indonesian Ulemas Council (MUI) and Bandung Islamic State University.

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    • fatwa mui sholeh Ulemas are ‘scholars’ – so they say.
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    • Hell, if the MUI has got anything to do with it, one must hope that the poor mayor can quickly regain control of his city administration. Any clerics the so-called ‘scholars’ approve are almost bound to be bad news!

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    • ma'arruf amin  Ma’aruf
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    It was MUI’s Deputy Chair who kindly advised everyone that FGM is a ‘human right!’  

     https://rossrightangle.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/clitoral-clip-no-scraping-suffices-tell-us-islamist-scholars-why-do-it/

    And here’s another of their ‘scholars’ talking. 

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    “If the act of adultery is by a married person, then stoning is the sentence, while if unmarried, then it’s whipping,” he said.
     http://www.suarapembaruan.com/home/mui-dukung-pelaku-kumpul-kebo-dipidanakan/32705

    Syamsul Maarif,  General Secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) Jakarta

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    So now we have a hint of what Latief means when he says the bus-preacher sermons would touch on the subject of “morals, good deeds, etc.”

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    • terry m 11:57 am on August 16, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      It’s bad enough with getting blasted by the loud-speakers from the mosques.
      You are right of course but they couldnt be any worse than those awful ‘musicians’ that jump aboard and scream for three minutes then want paid.

  • ross1948 12:00 am on April 7, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , HMI, , kidnapping, , MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), , , , , theft,   

    Indonesian Victims of IslamoNazi Thuggery ‘Apologise!’ 


    I wish I could call this story ‘shocking’ but I personally am running out of ‘shockability.’ Indeed, the more time that passes under President (‘Pluralist’) Jokowi, the less shocking this kind of appalling new report becomes.

    What happened in Pekanbaru seemed so outlandish that I used three different media sources to make my account as accurate as possible. But one phrase, from Riau Online, sums up the frail state of religious freedom in Indonesia today.

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    After Attacked by FPI, HMI Pekanbaru Apologize

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    FPI, as regular readers know, is the violent vigilante gangster group which styles itself the ‘Islam Defenders Front.’ Their victimisation of minority creeds here is infamous..
    …but their latest target, HMI, is the Muslim Students Association, a nationwide organisation..

    What happened was that the Pekanbaru branch of HMI, along with another group,  Activist Network Islamic Philosophy (JAKFI) decided to hold a discussion forum last Friday.

    As their coordinator, Diman, later explained in a statement to situsriau.com, the IslamoNazi thugs not only broke up the meeting but kidnapped one of the speakers, a man from Jogjakarta named Safman.

    Diman says the actual theme of the talk was “Identity of Women in Indonesia, Progressive Historical and Spiritual.” Dikait-kaitkan dengan Syiah, Ini Kronologis Pembubaran …

    Well, that would catch the attention of IslamoNazis, who think women should know their place – which is somewhere way down below that of men.

    As one of their Jakarta jerks once put it….

    IslamoNazi Gauleiter – “Women Already Have Limitations, Let Alone Non-Muslims!” 

    But even so, while using stormtroop tactics on meetings, or even against inoffensive food-stalls…

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    • FPI_13
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    …is nothing new for these jihadist hoodlums, unlawfully carrying people off for ‘interrogation’ is certainly an expanded interpretation of their vindictive vision and mission!

    Diman –“We greatly regret the dissolution, with even our speaker forcibly taken away without the consent of those who invited him.”

    It seems that when Safwan arrived at 8pm, FPI louts were already on the scene, and he tried to have a ‘dialogue’ with the gang. Then ‘about 50 FPI members came in and immediately took action, and Safwan.’

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    Safwan – the middle-aged scholar seized by 50 IslamoNazi hooligans

    “We did not know where our speaker was taken. He could not be contacted, but around 23:00 pm, online media announced he was at the FPI headquarters in Tanjung Rhu and was being interrogated.”

    Diman sensibly reported this astonishing news to Pekanbaru Police and requested help.  

    Two hours later he got word Safwan was going back to Yogyakarta by plane..

    “Safwan advised, for the sake of our mutual safety, not to accompany him to the airport,” said Diman, who concluded that his guest was being forced by the hoodlums to leave town. 

    “Most importantly, he was okay,” said Diman.We deeply regret this incident occurred...we are open if the parties seek a dialogical approach.”

    Poor Diman, if he’s really naive enough to think that the FPI’s vile thugs are either willing or even able to engage in rational dialogue. It is not in the nature of Islamists to debate, if the option of intimidation is available.

    We have seen that often enough, not only with these white-shirt bullies but also with the state-sponsored Indonesian ‘Scholars’ Council –

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    Cops – “Islamist ‘Scholars’ Can Veto Religious Liberty” 

    MUI-Indonesia

     ‘Adam Created By Angel?” Islamist ‘Scholars’Call the Cops

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    Islamists cower from critical thinking. Rather than defend their dogmas in honest argument, they suppress those who’d argue back! And the Government has not disowned the ‘scholars’ – nor subdued the thugs.

    “Moreover, we are disappointed that this incident occurred one day after President Joko Widodo ordered the Chief of Police to crack down on intolerants who disperse discussions in the name of religion; we also ask that media reports are balanced, “pleaded Diman. http://www.situsriau.com/read-1-22829–dikaitkaitkan-dengan-syiah-ini-kronologis-pembubaran-diskusi-jakfi-oleh-fpi-versi-hmi.html(Rls)

    Another media source says the kidnap victim was ‘beaten’ by the gang. http: //www.riauonline.co.id/2016/04/02/usai-diserang-fpi-hmi-pekanbaru-minta-maaf

    anfpi2

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    And another source,GoRiau.com, says that along with the victim, the perps grabbed several books and a laptop that allegedly contained material to be presented to the participants of the meeting.
    “He admitted he was Shia…” said Ustad Ade Hasibuan, the local IslamoNazi gang-leader. “Inevitably we were forced to stop that…”
    pejan ade Anti-tolerance Ade
     http://www.goriau.com/berita/peristiwa/breaking-news-massa-fpi-riau-hentikan-kegiatan-berbau-suatu-aliran-1-orang-diamankan.htmlkepentingannya,” that report adds that ‘the action was led by the Regional Army Commander (FPI) Ustad Muhammad Zein.’
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    Please understand, Zein is no more an ‘Army Commander’ any more than I am a tee-totaller! These IslamoNazis just love to give themselves fancy titles and prance about up in Arabesque fancy-dress.
    Sejumlah massa dari Front Pembela Islam (FPI) melakukan aksi di depan Gedung Mahkaman Konstitusi (MK), Jakarta, Rabu (27/1).
    FPI ‘warriors,’ clowns hiding behind masks!

    Their ‘warrior’ prowess we’ve noted before, as in Sukorejo when the yellow-bellies had to seek sanctuary in a mosque prior to scuttling out of town after dark under police escort.

    But speaking of police…where were they?

    Indonesian_National_Police_General's_Visor_Hat

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    Kidnap, theft, violence and vandalism!

    A lot of sectarian brutes should be under lock and key by now, but none of the reports refers to this obvious consequence of lawless barbarity.: http://www.goriau.com/berita/peristiwa/breaking-news-massa-fpi-riau-hentikan-kegiatan-berbau-suatu-aliran-1-orang-diamankan.html#sthash.U0VgtQ1F.dpuf

     And what about the HMI?
    Did they at once call the cops, demand hot pursuit of the cowardly white-shirt criminals?
     ——-
    ——

    After Attacked by FPI, HMI Pekanbaru Apologize

    The pathetic little wets said sorry!

    The Chairman HMI Pekanbaru Branch, Syuib, said that what happened Friday night was a misunderstanding between the FPI mob and the HMI members who wanted to hold discussions in the building.

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    sorry

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    “The discussions yesterday evening were just on the role and position of women in the context of Indonesia. There were absolutely no plans to spread false teachings here…” said Syuib .

    The student of government at the University of Riau apologized if there was a misunderstanding occurred between HMI with FPI and the community.“We apologize…”

    heavens-to-murgatroyd-hes-using-nitrous-peroxide-1-728

    God help Indonesia if this ‘student of government’ ever makes it into government. What he SHOULD have said is that they’ll discuss whatever they like, and invite dissidents, infidels and heretics, if they feel like it.

    • freedom-of-religion
    • AND they’ll call out every member to confront ignoramus interference.

    But if they were outnumbered?

    Could the Pekanbaru Police be counted on to safeguard citizens’ rights?

     

     

    http://www.riauonline.co.id/2016/04/02/usai-diserang-fpi-hmi-pekanbaru-minta-maaf

     

    http://www.goriau.com/berita/peristiwa/breaking-news-massa-fpi-riau-hentikan-kegiatan-berbau-suatu-aliran-1-orang-diamankan.htmlkepentingannya,”

     

     
  • ross1948 12:08 am on February 26, 2016 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , , , , , MUI (Indonesian Ulema Council ), , Wahid Institute,   

    If Only Yenny Wahid Could Talk To Donald Trump! 


    Nice to see Jeb the Jerk knocked out of the presidential race.
    His near-imbecilic comments on key issues should long ago have disqualified him from serious consideration.
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    Hasil gambar untuk jeb love illegal
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    Bush appears to be oblivious to the reality of the criimmigrant menace to decent Americans.
     The Republican Party must unite behind a candidate who can wallop that hateful Clinton woman.
    oooooooooooooooooo
    But speaking of women…
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    Yenny-f_769_f_380
    The Wahid Institute’s Yenny Zanuba Wahid
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    …here’s a dashed fine lady who lives and works somewhere in what has become my adopted home-town.
    Some friends and I were out on the town last weekend, a merry foursome, each from a different country, alarming more sedate gallivanters with outbreaks of classic rock songs in a nice Jakarta resto, and, as happens, the talk turned to politics, and on that evening to Mr.Trump.
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    trump
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    I made the point I’ve made here before, that his proposed blanket ban on Muslims entering the USA would prevent me taking some of those frequent visitors to my home along with me, if I ever decided to go see my American friends.
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    It would also, though her name didn’t come up on Saturday night, prevent Yenny Wahid from going there. 
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    freedom-of-religion
    She’s director of theWahid Institute and exactly the sort of Muslim whose voice needs to be heard around the world.

    This week she tried again to make it heard here, where it’s a badly needed antidote to the shrilling sectarianism which President Jokowi’s government says it deplores but which appears to be dictating an increasingly intolerant agenda.

    Cikeusik Anniversary Looms, D-Day for Indonesian Innocents! 

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    Bisnis.com reports that Yenny Wahid has identified the self-styled ‘Islam Defenders Front’ (FPI) and the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) as the mass organisations which ‘occupy the top spot in terms of violations of the right to freedom of religion and belief ..http://kabar24.bisnis.com/read/20160223/16/521798/wahid-institute-mui-fpi-paling-banyak-melanggar-kebebasan-beragamas.

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    Well, it would be hard to disagree with her on those ulema, ‘scholars,’ as they like to call themselves – their ‘scholarly’ outbursts are often remarkable. Islamist ‘Scholars’ – “Don’t Complain if You’re Attacked!” 

    She allocated responsibility to each as follows, 21 cases to the MUI and 13 to the FPI.
    Yenny accused the state-funded ‘scholars’ of often using their religious authority (they’re the agency that issues local fatwas) in ways that are ill-judged and without consideration of the impact on the community.
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    fatwa mui sholeh

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    True.

    But what is really appalling about them is their frequent habit of calling on law enforcement to serve as a goon-squad against dissenters they are evidently reluctant to face in debate when their dogmas are challenged. 

    Cops – “Islamist ‘Scholars’ Can Veto Religious Liberty” 

    MUI-Indonesia

     ‘Adam Created By Angel?” Islamist ‘Scholars’Call the Cops

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    And those white-shirt louts she described? She says that the FPI often resorts to coercive measures in the name of religion.

    Again, nobody with an ounce of sense can gainsay her on that.

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    fpi kill busddhist

    Bloodthirsty FPI savages parade in Jakarta

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    Just put FPI into our search box over there on the right and you’ll find seemingly endless reports of their vigilante amok-runs.

    Yet Yenny makes an appeal which will almost certainly fall on deaf ears. 

    “Police officers need to step up their capacity in the face of violations of religious liberty, including in the face of pressure from intolerant groups,” she said

    Yes, indeed, Yenni.
    There is a need!

    Just as there’s a need for The Donald to meet GOOD Muslims like her, and maybe those good American women in the Muslim Reform Movement…

    Brave Muslim Women and ‘Ottawa Hijab Day!’ 

    …whose good work is hardly helped by his over-generalisation.

     
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